Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[William]

Considering the idea of living forever on this one planet, one does not have to be a 'male' or a 'female' as sexual organs are of no use since there is no requirement to 'going forth and multiplying' anymore.
Indeed, even if there were an initial need for such - say - in order to boost numbers ... what would be the cut-off point where such becomes impractical or even counter-productive?

So a 'paradise for the heterosexual' would not be the case.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2369]

So man is Plan "B". The earth was never created for man. Man does not live long enough to rule over the earth.

What was Plan "A"? What was Earth created for?

I have no earthly idea.

And that once bothered me, but I had to let it go.

There were hosts of angels assigned to care for and replenish the earth. So angels have "things" to do.

But those which were assigned to the earth rebelled and wared against God in Heaven. Due to their sin and neglect of their duties, the earth had reached the state of empty, void, and dark described in Genesis 1:2.

God returned, re-created the earth back to it's original state of "good", and gave man dominion over the earth for six thousand years.

Man can individually choose to accept or reject everlasting spiritual life and dominion over the earth. That is, we are being groomed to be born again as angels and replace those who originally cared for the earth.

The conclusion of each person's short human life on earth should be to learn that there is a better way to live, God's way. Having learned this lesson, we should be less inclined to revolt.

One of the world's wisest men after a lifetime of seeking treasure, women, and whatever appeared to bring him pleasure; reached this final conclusion of the whole matter of life:

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Mankind is in training to replace the rebellious angels, and this is the lesson we are here to learn. We typically learn it by trying our way and failing.

<======== Back to your question =============>

Plan "A" was probably that the angels would care for the earth and obey God's directions eternally.

To do so, they apparently had to be able to respond to events, consider all possible solutions, and make the best choices to fulfill their duties. Thus, they required the freedom to make choices on their own.

That said, Satan desired to be like the most high God, so he, and a third of the angels under his command chose to rebel against God and here we are today with Plan "B" -- which is designed to replace those angels who rebelled with mortal humans who qualify to become angelic replacements. Those humans who do not qualify or simply do not desire to accept the everlasting assignment, simply die.

And they who accept the job live happily ever after -- doing earthly caretaker stuff.

[William]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2369]

So man is Plan "B". The earth was never created for man. Man does not live long enough to rule over the earth.

What was Plan "A"? What was Earth created for?

I have no earthly idea.

And that once bothered me, but I had to let it go.

Okay - well if you find any evidence to support your assertion that there ever was a "Plan A" - please do offer it up for consideration.

Meantime, can you answer why - since YHWH knows what She is doing - how is it that "Plan A" needed a "Plan B"...why should I believe that YHWH somehow failed in one plan and so created another one?

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2369]

So man is Plan "B". The earth was never created for man. Man does not live long enough to rule over the earth.

What was Plan "A"? What was Earth created for?

I have no earthly idea.

And that once bothered me, but I had to let it go.

Okay - well if you find any evidence to support your assertion that there ever was a "Plan A" - please do offer it up for consideration.

Meantime, can you answer why - since YHWH knows what She is doing - how is it that "Plan A" needed a "Plan B"...

Let me play your little game with you first. If you know someone is female, then she or her is correct.

Do you know that God is a female?

God declared that every thing He created was made as "very good".

The angels who rebelled caused Plan "A" to fail -- God did not cause it to fail, sweetheart.

I've already presented the evidence of a Plan "A".

Read it again, Honey.

. . .why should I believe that YHWH somehow failed in one plan and so created another one?

You shouldn't.

Pay close attention, Dear. God created every thing very good:

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

Good night and sweet dreams.

[Tcg]

Okay - well if you find any evidence to support your assertion that there ever was a "Plan A" - please do offer it up for consideration.

There is no mystery here. myth-one.com is referring to a version of what is commonly known as the "Gap Theory."

Gap creationism (also known as ruin-restoration creationism, restoration creationism, or "the Gap Theory") is a form of old Earth creationism that posits that the six-yom creation period, as described in the Book of Genesis, involved six literal 24-hour days (light being "day" and dark "night" as God specified), but that there was a gap of time between two distinct creations in the first and the second verses of Genesis, which the theory states explains many scientific observations, including the age of the Earth. It differs from day-age creationism, which posits that the 'days' of creation were much longer periods (of thousands or millions of years), and from young Earth creationism, which although it agrees concerning the six literal 24-hour days of creation, does not posit any gap of time.

From 1814, Thomas Chalmers popularized gap creationism; he attributed the concept to the 17th-century Dutch Arminian theologian Simon Episcopius. Chalmers wrote:

"My own opinion, as published in 1814, is that it [Genesis 1:1] forms no part of the first day, but refers to a period of indefinite antiquity when God created the worlds out of nothing. The commencement of the first day's work I hold to be the moving of God's Spirit upon the face of the waters. We can allow geology the amplest time...without infringing even on the literalities of the Mosaic record."

Chalmers became a divinity professor at the University of Edinburgh, founder of the Free Church of Scotland, and author of one of the Bridgewater Treatises. Other early proponents of gap creationism included Oxford University geology professor and fellow Bridgewater author William Buckland, Sharon Turner and Edward Hitchcock.

The idea gained widespread attention when a "second creative act" was discussed prominently in the reference notes for Genesis in the influential 1917 Scofield Reference Bible.

In 1954, a few years before the re-emergence of young-Earth flood-geology eclipsed Gap creationism, influential evangelical theologian Bernard Ramm wrote in The Christian View of Science and Scripture:

"The gap theory has become the standard interpretation throughout hyper-orthodoxy, appearing in an endless stream of books, booklets, Bible studies, and periodical articles. In fact, it has become so sacrosanct with some that to question it is equivalent to tampering with Sacred Scripture or to manifest modernistic leanings".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gap_creationism

The evidence for it is the gap itself between verses 1 and 2.




Tcg

[William]

[Replying to Tcg in post #2375]

So therein where is the supposed rebellious angels?

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to Tcg in post #2375]

So therein where is the supposed rebellious angels?

And the angels which kept not their first estate (the earth), but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

[William]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2377]

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

What has you believing that this is referring to the Earth as being the 'estate'?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2365]

YHWH has made it clear in recent communications with me via the Generated Messages, that everlasting life on this our planet earth is the hope of the righteous.

Your communications are not authorative here, they are of no interest to me. Was there something I have written you would like to challenge or ask me about ? There is, I believe, a like button on this forum if your only point was to confirm that what I have written is correct.


JW

[JehovahsWitness]

Considering the idea of living forever on this one planet, one does not have to be a 'male' or a 'female' as sexual organs are of no use since there is no requirement to 'going forth and multiplying' anymore.

WILL BIOLOGICAL MALES AND FEMALES WITH SEXUAL ORGANS CONTINUE TO EXIST IN THEIR PRESENT FORM ON THE EARTHLY PARADISE?

Yes. We know this because the bible confirms that what God purposes must eventually come true. God originally created humans of both sexes with the capacity to reporduce sexually and instructed them to reproduce with the aim that the earth be filled with their perfect offspring.



Thus one thing we know then is that not only will the earth be filled with humans that will live forever (if they are obedient ) but that they will ressemble Adam and Eve physically and like them be capable of reproducing sexually as in Eden. Perfect humans must meet the same criteria of "good" ie perfect and fit for purpose as on the 6th evening in Eden; ie male and female capable of reproducing sexually.



JW





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