Why did Jesus have to be male?

[nobspeople]

Along the same lines of the thread here
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38174
Why did Jesus have to be male?
I assume he is though some may debate it if the above thread is any indication about what words mean and what terms were used then as they are now.

But why did God (whatever gender it is or isn't) decide to make a male version of himself/son (whichever you choose to believe)?
Why couldn't Jesus have been a female? Would the sacrifice he's said to have made been any more of less successful?
Was Jesus needed to be male in order to get respect and attention? If so, could this be why God is male?
What was the reason why Jesus was and had to be male?
Or was if simply random?

[JehovahsWitness]

...caused a death by knowingly engaging in conduct that created a grave risk of death. A person acts with depraved indifference when he or she shows such utter disregard for human life that it is apparent he or she was completely indifferent about creating a risk of death to another human being.

... placing the tree of knowledge of good and evil, Adam and Eve, .... in the same garden together.

MURDER BY GARDENING

The tree was not dangerous. It was not poisonous and was not designed to wander about trying to strangle them nor was it likley to sneak up on them with a knife and try and stab them to death. Unlike a loaded gun, explosives or even a sharp object like a knife nobody was at any risk of accidentaly harming themselves with the tree and there is no indication that it risked falling on them. Unlike'a car, which can accidently (or intentionally) be used to kill, a tree is an entirely inoffensive, inanimate object and placing it in the garden cannot by any stretch of the imagination be considered "conduct that created a grave risk of death".

[tam]

Peace to you,

Because that is what Adam did: allowed death into the world, and subjected/sold his offspring to death, Death (the Destroyer).

Christ purchased us back with His own blood (1 Corinth 7:23; Acts 20:28).

That's all very poetic but amounts to nothing more than rhetoric.

It was also an answer to your question.

Adam and Eve ate some forbidden fruit.

Forbidden because it would cause them to die.

God's response is what 'allowed' death into the world subjecting everyone who followed with the same consequences.

How so?

Please demonstrate where Adam acted knowing the full consequences of his actions.

Very rarely does man (or woman) know the full consequence of their actions.

But Adam was not deceived, as Eve was deceived. Adam did not act from love for anyone (except perhaps himself) and that can be demonstrated from the story with regard to God (who he blamed - how is that repentance?) and the woman (who he also blamed - how is that repentance? - and who he allowed to be deceived). He was also unfaithful to God, in God's own house.

(That does not mean that he did not learn BECAUSE of the consequences to his actions, and later repent, and receive forgiveness.)

Can we really know that he did not repent?

Why would anyone assume otherwise, unless they are trying to find fault with God?

(blaming others does not indicate repentance of one's own actions)

Why the delay before implementing the charade that is the Christ purchasing forgiveness when it could have been freely given at the very beginning?

Christ purchased PEOPLE who had been sold to DEATH.

It's just a clumsy story that early people no doubt accepted without giving it any close scrutiny.

I think it is a baseless statement to assume that early people were somehow 'less' than modern people in this regard.


Peace again to you.

[JehovahsWitness]

Based on what did befall Adam and all of humanity, I find it hard to believe that he would not have repented.

Theres little doubt Adam bitterly regretted his decision, but biblically repentance involves more than being sorry you were caught or sorry you have to pay for what you did, it involves acknowledging one's fault and humbly seeking reparation; true repentance is a condition of heart. The only record we have of Adams state of heart, indeed the last reccorded words we have from him, specifically display Adam lacking a repentant attidude. There is no good reasson to believe he changed.

[brunumb]

...caused a death by knowingly engaging in conduct that created a grave risk of death. A person acts with depraved indifference when he or she shows such utter disregard for human life that it is apparent he or she was completely indifferent about creating a risk of death to another human being.

... placing the tree of knowledge of good and evil, Adam and Eve, .... in the same garden together.

MURDER BY GARDENING

The tree was not dangerous. It was not poisonous and was not designed to wander about trying to strangle them nor was it likley to sneak up on them with a knife and try and stab them to death. Unlike a loaded gun, explosives or even a sharp object like a knife nobody was at any risk of accidentaly harming themselves with the tree and there is no indication that it risked falling on them. Unlike'a car, which can accidently (or intentionally) be used to kill, a tree is an entirely inoffensive, inanimate object and placing it in the garden cannot by any stretch of the imagination be considered "conduct that created a grave risk of death".

More ridiculous word play. There is no point in engaging with you when all you present is this disingenuous nonsense.

[JehovahsWitness]

...caused a death by knowingly engaging in conduct that created a grave risk of death. A person acts with depraved indifference when he or she shows such utter disregard for human life that it is apparent he or she was completely in different about creating a risk of death to another human being.

... placing the tree of knowledge of good and evil, Adam and Eve, .... in the same garden together.

MURDER BY GARDENING

The tree was not dangerous. It was not poisonous and was not designed to wander about trying to strangle them nor was it likley to sneak up on them with a knife and try and stab them to death. Unlike a loaded gun, explosives or even a sharp object like a knife nobody was at any risk of accidentaly harming themselves with the tree and there is no indication that it risked falling on them. Unlike'a car, which can accidently (or intentionally) be used to kill, a tree is an entirely inoffensive, inanimate object and placing it in the garden cannot by any stretch of the imagination be considered "conduct that created a grave risk of death".

... There is no point in engaging with you when all you present is this disingenuous nonsense

Not at all. depraved indifference is blatent disregard for human life as demonstrated by an act (action) that endangered life. The only actions God performed prior to the fall was to create life, plant a garden and warn them not to engage in reckless behaviour, none of which demonstrated a {quote} "blatent disregard for human life".



JW

[Clownboat]

...caused a death by knowingly engaging in conduct that created a grave risk of death. A person acts with depraved indifference when he or she shows such utter disregard for human life that it is apparent he or she was completely indifferent about creating a risk of death to another human being.

... placing the tree of knowledge of good and evil, Adam and Eve, .... in the same garden together.

MURDER BY GARDENING

The tree was not dangerous. It was not poisonous and was not designed to wander about trying to strangle them nor was it likley to sneak up on them with a knife and try and stab them to death. Unlike a loaded gun, explosives or even a sharp object like a knife nobody was at any risk of accidentaly harming themselves with the tree and there is no indication that it risked falling on them. Unlike'a car, which can accidently (or intentionally) be used to kill, a tree is an entirely inoffensive, inanimate object and placing it in the garden cannot by any stretch of the imagination be considered "conduct that created a grave risk of death".

More ridiculous word play. There is no point in engaging with you when all you present is this disingenuous nonsense.

In their defense, you are literally discussing a Biblical creation story as if it deserves a discussion. To discuss a flat earth is to give it credit it doesn't deserve. Like discussing a creation or flood story because it is in a holy book IMO.

To expect facts and evidence is folly when discussing such topics. Like a flat earth, most of us know that there is no evidence for the Biblical creation story. It being in a holy book makes it as valid as any other creation mythology.

What has been illustrated IMO is a story about a god that is all knowing and loves us, except for the fact that in the story it does not seem to be all knowing or loving.

[JehovahsWitness]

What has been illustrated IMO is a story about a god that is all knowing and loves us, except for the fact that in the story it does not seem to be all knowing or loving.

I disagree , the fact is in the story God does seem to be all knowing and loving.

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

OMNIPOTENCE , RESPONSIBILITY and ...SELECTIVE FOREKNOWLEDGE

[Miles]

What has been illustrated IMO is a story about a god that is all knowing and loves us, except for the fact that in the story it does not seem to be all knowing or loving.

I disagree , the fact is in the story God does seem to be all knowing and loving.

The first 50 examples (out of 238) of God's cruelty as described in the Bible. [Cruelty: the "callous indifference to, or pleasure in, causing pain and suffering.”]

Genesis

1 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and ... offer him there for a burnt offering. -- 22:2

2 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. -- 22:10

3 And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him. -- 38:7

4 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also. -- 38:10

Exodus

5 If thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.--4:23

6 For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast.--12:12

7 At midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.--12:29

8 The LORD slew all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the firstborn of man, and the firstborn of beast.--13:15

9 The LORD is a man of war.--15:3

10 He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.--21:15

11 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.--22:18

12 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.--Ex22.20:

13 And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless.--22:24

14 Then shalt thou kill the ram, and take of his blood, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of Aaron, and upon the tip of the right ear of his sons, and upon the thumb of their right hand, and upon the great toe of their right foot, and sprinkle the blood upon the altar round about. -- 29:20

15Ye shall keep the sabbath ... every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death.--31:14

16 Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side ... and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.--32:27

17 And the LORD plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made.--32:35

Leviticus

18 And Moses took of the blood of it, and put it upon the tip of Aaron's right ear, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot.--8:24, 14:14, 14:17, 14:25

19 And Nadab and Abihu ... offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not. And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.--10:1-2

20 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death.--20:9

21 And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death.--20:12

22 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.--20:13

23 If a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they.--20:14

24 If a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.--20:15

25 If a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.--20:16

26 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.--20:27

27 And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.--21:9

28 Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him.--24:14

29 He that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him.--24:16

30 And Moses spake to the children of Israel, that they should bring forth him that had cursed out of the camp, and stone him with stones. And the children of Israel did as the LORD commanded Moses.--24:23

31 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.--26:16

32 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children.--26:22

Numbers

33 And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them .--11:1

34 And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the people with a very great plague.--11:33

35 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day ... And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones.--15:32-36

36 And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense.--16:35

37 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.--21:6

38 Behold, the people shall rise up as a great lion, and lift up himself as a young lion: he shall not lie down until he eat of the prey, and drink the blood of the slain.--23:24

39 And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.--25:4

40And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.--31:15-19

Deuteronomy

41 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.--2:34

42 And we utterly destroyed them, ... utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city.--3:6

43 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them.--7:2

44 And thou shalt consume all the people which the LORD thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them.--7:16

45 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you ... Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die. -- 13:6-10

46 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.--13:15

47 And the man that ... will not hearken unto the priest ... that man shall die.--17:12

48 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women ... shalt thou take unto thyself.--20:13-14

49 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth.--20:16-17

50 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die.--22:20-21
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As for being All Knowing, if God really was all knowing wouldn't he have known better than to have made the mistakes he admits to. Common sense certainly says he would.

Example.

1 Samuel 15:35
And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death. Nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul; and the Lord repented that He had made Saul king over Israel.

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[The Nice Centurion]

[Replying to Miles in post #148]
All knowing, omnipotent and all good god is a delusion that springs rather from christian tradition, than from bible!

Nuff said!

[JehovahsWitness]

What has been illustrated IMO is a story about a god that is all knowing and loves us, except for the fact that in the story it does not seem to be all knowing or loving.

I disagree , the fact is in the story God does seem to be all knowing and loving.

The first 50 examples (out of 238) of God's cruelty as described in the Bible. [Cruelty: the "callous indifference to, or pleasure in, causing pain and suffering.”]

I see nothing in those verses that show God as cruel. May I remind you this is a debate forum not a bible quoting platform, if you believe those passages show God being cruel you will have to explain (preferably in complete sentences) how they support your claim.

Just copy pasting scripture carries not weight in this subforum .



JW