The problem of evil

[William]

Q: Is the statement "Then there is "The problem of evil"" one of fact or conjecture? [science or opinion] In realty, does such a problem actually exist?

The problem of evil refers to the challenge of reconciling belief in an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient God, with the existence of evil and suffering in the world. eta:{SOURCE}

[JoeyKnothead]

Yes, but the "wise" of the world are actually quite stupid and ignorant,

Look in a mirror pal.

[brunumb]

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Probably the most infamous quote from the Bible after "The fool hath said..." Matthew 11.25 "At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children."...

Yes, but the "wise" of the world are actually quite stupid and ignorant, all though they themselves think they are wise and believe they know a lot. Bible and God are not against true wisdom, because it is offered freely for anyone who wants it:

But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach; and it will be given to him.
James 1:5

Ah, yes, True Wisdom™ is only that which comes from God via the Bible. Somehow he gives it to little children but as they grow up he hides it from them again. I wonder where all these wise little children are hiding. I also wonder why God would hide wisdom from anyone. Anyway, if you ask him for wisdom, he will give it liberally, unless of course he doesn't. Then it's probably your fault*. Pretzels anyone?

* From Biblical Loopholes 101

[brunumb]

Mother and her two children are shot dead by husband/father: She has a NDE and meets Jesus...

I don't believe a word of it. The agenda is stated clearly at the beginning and the rest just sounds like a contrived story to push that agenda. Anecdotes are a dime a dozen.

[William]

[Replying to brunumb in post #53]

I don't believe a word of it.

I am of similar opinion. I am wary that it is a truthful rendition of an actual experience
However, this does not mean that all such stories are made-up. I simply used it as an example of theistic thinking regarding the problem of evil.

There are many stories where responsibility for how one handles the experience of life is one's own, which the story - true or false - exemplifies.

In that, I treat it more as a type of parable.

My Personal Opinion:
I like to think that if I had a prior existence to this one, that it was entirely my choice to be here and that I do not need to express any distress re being the victim of a Creator-God who gave me no choice and will fry me eternally for taking a wrong step in ignorance.

Other opinions may differ from my own -re that - but not to any point where [my] time need be wasted arguing about it.

[TRANSPONDER]

Mother and her two children are shot dead by husband/father: She has a NDE and meets Jesus...

I don't believe a word of it. The agenda is stated clearly at the beginning and the rest just sounds like a contrived story to push that agenda. Anecdotes are a dime a dozen.

You is on a roll, mate.

[Replying to brunumb in post #53]

I don't believe a word of it.

I am of similar opinion. I am wary that it is a truthful rendition of an actual experience
However, this does not mean that all such stories are made-up. I simply used it as an example of theistic thinking regarding the problem of evil.

There are many stories where responsibility for how one handles the experience of life is one's own, which the story - true or false - exemplifies.

In that, I treat it more as a type of parable.

My Personal Opinion:
I like to think that if I had a prior existence to this one, that it was entirely my choice to be here and that I do not need to express any distress re being the victim of a Creator-God who gave me no choice and will fry me eternally for taking a wrong step in ignorance.

Other opinions may differ from my own -re that - but not to any point where [my] time need be wasted arguing about it.

I agree. I don't think these stories are intended as 'true'. I think they are like the moral dilemmas. In practice they could be solved but are contrived to be insoluble. But here I'm not sure the appeal to Jesus was going to prove anything but a 'foxholes' type argument - when all other options fail, pray to Jesus. If it doesn't work, then apologists will have a dozen excuses, if it does, you will owe Jesus Belief. The rebut is that you could get the same result praying to Joe Peschi.

[Tcg]

Mother and her two children are shot dead by husband/father: She has a NDE and meets Jesus...

I don't believe a word of it. The agenda is stated clearly at the beginning and the rest just sounds like a contrived story to push that agenda. Anecdotes are a dime a dozen.

Additionally, if the mother was shot dead, she couldn't have had an NDE, she'd have had an FDE - Full Death Experience. Although NDE proponents nearly always overlook it, the "N" stands for "Near." Those who have them have not experienced "Death." Given that whatever they experience is in no way evidence of any afterlife. They have experienced life after life also known as continuing to live. I've experienced that too every day of my life... so far.


Tcg

[oldbadger]

Yes, but the "wise" of the world are actually quite stupid and ignorant,

Look in a mirror pal.

Hi........ I read that, and looked.........
First shock of the day.......how could you....?

I will have to leave any problem about evil to Christianity to sort out, one moment God is giving the Devil instructions which are loyally carried out (G-Job), yet in several other books the Devil is a wicked nasty.

I wonder how anybody can perceive that evil exists? And who could be described as evil? Since Nature is the resident ruler around here there is not one animal, bug, virus or bacterium that is evil, they're all just trying to make babies and survive, is all.

And within Humanity I don't think that babies and children can be evil, even our laws protect them from responsibility for actions.
And those disabled by low intelligence quotients, and those afflicted by neurological disabilities, and ...on.....
And so the only living creatures in this world that could be regarded as evil (if it exists) are those folks with high intelligence. But...No!

All that exists in this World is the driving force of Nature and if Humanity cannot rise above that to better communal standards then we are stuck solid on the baseline.

[Tcg]

Yes, but the "wise" of the world are actually quite stupid and ignorant,

Look in a mirror pal.

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[1213]

...But this nasty idea hanging about in the social wings that it's ok to kill people because they'll go to heaven...

It is not ok to murder anyone, for example because it is forbidden in the ten commandments.

[William]

[Replying to Tcg in post #56]

The experiences had are so similar that to call one NDE and another FDE implies the experiences had are different enough that it matters.