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During the last year or so of attending church, I was still reluctant to ask probing questions for fear of 'rocking the boat'. In the back of each chair were suggestion/question cards, which anyone could fill out and turn in... I asked the same question, about a dozen times, and never received any type of response.

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Why would an all knowing and all loving God ever place favor towards one specific race, the Jews?
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(Tam) As one who claims to have once been a Christian, surely you knew this.

(Me) I feel I need to interject here.... Even though it will take us off topic....

Your statement appears quite false. The term "Christian" is quite unspecified, being we have countless sub-denominations within, (3) major sects alone ---- (Catholics, Protestants, and (Eastern) Orthodox)....

I would think twice before I again attempted to offer up such a possible gaslighting....
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tam wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:50 pm During that long period, the king of Egypt died. The Israelites groaned in their slavery and cried out, and their cry for help because of their slavery went up to God. God heard their groaning and he remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac and with Jacob.
Exodus 2:23, 24
That really paints God as a doddering old fool who really hasn't got a clue about what is going on in his world.

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POI wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:36 am ...

(Tam) Even in the verses that you are referring to, God gives His reason that they are not to rule harshly over their fellow Israelite: He purchased the Israelites for Himself. They belong to Him. He just rescued them OUT of slavery.

(POI) Why ONLY rescue Israelites from slavery? If God does not like slavery, rescue all. Again, we can refer to this 'god' favoring 'accidental properties'.
Ok, thanks for the clarification. This leads to question, have the others asked help from God, as the Jews did?
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1213 wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:52 am
POI wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:36 am ...

(Tam) Even in the verses that you are referring to, God gives His reason that they are not to rule harshly over their fellow Israelite: He purchased the Israelites for Himself. They belong to Him. He just rescued them OUT of slavery.

(POI) Why ONLY rescue Israelites from slavery? If God does not like slavery, rescue all. Again, we can refer to this 'god' favoring 'accidental properties'.
Ok, thanks for the clarification. This leads to question, have the others asked help from God, as the Jews did?
This appears to be a silly question, for more than one reason:

1) I'm sure they all asked for help. I doubt anyone would want to be enslaved for life.
2) Would it be fair to say, that just because you are an Israelite, not all would genuinely pray to the same exact god anyways, right? Or further, some may not pray in a way which is pleasing to this one god.
3) And what if not all Israelites prayed for rescue? The Bible simply states to not treat Insraleites in the same way.
4) Since many of these Israelites will fall short of God's wishes, why base the criteria on the fact they are Israelites?

The point being, god granted special favor to Israelites, for the mere fact they are Israelites. As "AFG" has already pointed out, with his given (term) prior, God places favor, based upon "accidental properties." Not all Israelites will abide by his wanted commands. And yet, the Bible expresses that because they are Israelites, they are given special circumstances regardless. This is why I bring up (Lev. 25), for example.
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POI wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:27 pm ...
The point being, god granted special favor to Israelites, for the mere fact they are Israelites. ...
Sorry, I don't think you have provided any good reason to believe so. Can you show even a single scripture from the Bible that supports your claim?
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1213 wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:28 am
POI wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:27 pm ...
The point being, god granted special favor to Israelites, for the mere fact they are Israelites. ...
Sorry, I don't think you have provided any good reason to believe so. Can you show even a single scripture from the Bible that supports your claim?
I already did that. You must not be paying attention.
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POI wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:15 pm
1213 wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:28 am
POI wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:27 pm ...
The point being, god granted special favor to Israelites, for the mere fact they are Israelites. ...
Sorry, I don't think you have provided any good reason to believe so. Can you show even a single scripture from the Bible that supports your claim?
I already did that. You must not be paying attention.
Sorry, I didn't find any scripture that supports your claim. Maybe you could show direct quote from the Bible that says: "special favor to Israelites, for the mere fact they are Israelites"?
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