Genesis 1 Through 3 Timeline Challenge: Can You Resolve the Alleged Contradictions?

[Base12]

I am putting forth a challenge. See if you can make the Genesis 1 through Genesis 3 timelines/accounts agree with each other and not contradict as Wikipedia (and other sources) claim.

According to Wikipedia, Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 contradict one another:

“The overlapping stories of Genesis 1 and 2 are contradictory but also complementary, with the first (the Priestly story) concerned with the creation of the entire cosmos while the second (the Jahwist story) focuses on man as moral agent and cultivator of his environment.”

“Even the order and method of creation differs.”

Genesis creation narrative - Wikipedia

Did God make mistakes? If you agree with Wikipedia, let us know why.

Basic Rules:

• You are not allowed to take away from and/or add words to the verses.
• Use any translation you wish (mix and match is OK).
• The word ‘day’ must be interpreted as twenty-four hours or less.
• The interpretation of the phrase ‘surely die’ must be consistent with its usage elsewhere in the Bible.
• Use as many or as few verses as needed.
• Your interpretation must not contradict either Old Testament or New Testament.

I will submit my entry in the next post.

[Base12]

It refers to the word "generation" in Hebrew "תּלדה / תּולדה tôledâh" defined by Bible lexicon as course of history of creation.
Be understood as the creation of six days.

תּלדה / תּולדה tôledâh
BDB Definition:
1) descendants, results, proceedings, generations, genealogies
1a) account of men and their descendants
1a1) genealogical list of one’s descendants
1a2) one’s contemporaries
1a3) course of history (of creation etc)

Your list sounds like the Kingdom of God Within.

Microcosm vs. Macrocosm.

As without, so within.

As above, so below...

Matthew 6:10
"Set the world right; Do what's best - as above, so below."

https://www.biblestudytools.com/msg/matthew/6-10.html

[Base12]

What heavens were created on the third day? Genesis 1 talks about land (v. 9-10) and vegetation (11-12) created on the third day, but I don’t see any mention of the heavens.

See post #29.

Does this verse say that Adam can only name each living creature one name?

I do not see that exact text.

What is the evidence that this phrase speaks of two deaths? The article you linked to says that “Hebrew grammars inform us that this construction intensifies a sense of certainty.” That would mean that 'surely die' means it is certain they will die, not die twice. The article then argues that this was a divine announcement disclosing an enforceable penalty rather than speaking of natural consequences.

Standard Christian teaching is that those who are not redeemed go to Hell and the Lake of Fire. The Old Testament conceals this more than it reveals it. The concept is still there, however.

Why then does the verse connect their eyes being opened with knowing they were naked? Also, could you explain what happens in their damnation?

Their eyes were physically closed because they were dead. The Bible often calls this 'sleeping'. The opening of the eyes is awakening from death, i.e., resurrection.

Here is an example:

2 Kings 4:35
Then he returned, and walked in the house to and fro; and went up, and stretched himself upon him: and the child sneezed seven times, and the child opened his eyes.

The couple are 'naked' because they are Soul and Spirit only. They do not have a physical Body. This is how both resurrections work. Whether it is Resurrection of Damnation or Resurrection of Glory, they all are naked, as in they are not clothed with a Tabernacle yet...

2 Corinthians 5:2
"For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven"

2 Corinthians 5:4
"For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life."

That is what the purpose of the Tree of Life and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is for. It is the fertilized Ovum that provides the physical Body. One must choose which one to 'partake' from in order to be 'clothed', i.e., to be Born Again. The First Adam and Ishshah chose to be clothed with the corrupt Tabernacle we have now. They died in the process because that is how it works.

When they were reincarnated, they had new identities and new physiology. In other words, it is the same Spirit placed into a different Body with an altered Soul (Genome).

Born Again works both ways. We have the choice. That is the point of the Creation Account. God is giving us a choice of which Body we want next. Both options are available, contrary to the false dogma that Churchianity preaches. God is teaching what happens when we choose the Zygote from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. We get Mystery Babylon as Mom and Satan as Dad. Sucks to be us.

Why do you think there is such an abrupt change from verse 19 (talking about the first man and woman) to verse 20 (talking about the second man and woman)? And why does God banish the second pair from the Garden?

Their physiology is very different. They have 'shame' now. In other words, they have reproductive organs. That is what they were trying to hide.

• When the First Adam reincarnated as the Second Adam, he received testicles.
• When Ishshah reincarnated as Eve, she received a uterus.

A brand-new invention called 'Conception' is created...

Genesis 3:16
"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

Even if you believe that it is the same woman, you have to concede that a major DNA change took place to cause her to have sorrow.

Remember, there is no sex and making babies in a Heaven like environment, such as the prelapsarian Eden was. There can be no sex and eating of the Tree of Life. That is pure blasphemy. That is why the reincarnated couple could not partake of the Tree of Life. They have to die and be redeemed into a new Glorified Genome first.

The bottom line is that *everything* in the Creation Account has to be taken into consideration. When God 'cursed the ground', it changed the ethereal world into physical matter. A Spirit and Soul cannot exist in a physical world without a Body. Thus, God clothed them with the Body they chose...

Genesis 3:21
"Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them."

Job teaches what the 'skins' were...

Job 10:11
"Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews."

That is describing conception and a fetus growing into a baby.

The 'banishment' is Bible Typology and Foreshadowing of the Lake of Fire, which the Bible teaches is the portal back here again. There is no such thing as 'infinite torments' or 'annihilation'. That is beyond sick and disgusting to believe such rubbish. Thank God most people on the planet have woken up to the lies. The Universalists are the closest to discovering what really happens.

The Flaming Swords are symbolic of the Ark of the Covenant in the Most Holy Place, which is symbolic of the Nucleolus of the Female Egg Cell.

If one really, and I mean, REALLY understands Eden and its Garden, one would know that it is all symbolic of what happens inside a Womb.

The 'Mountain of God' is symbolic of the Phallus that 'waters' the Trees with its fertilizing Seed.

Ezekiel 28:13-14
"Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire."

Satan corrupted the Seminal Waters by fertilizing the Ovum on the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Earth played the harlot in the process by allowing it to take place. The 'Precious Stones' are symbolic of Nucleobases. Satan had more than four Base Pairs.

This is a very deep and profound story that is hidden from the masses because it would be way too enlightening. There is a Spirit at work to hide this info. Everyone here is fortunate to be reading this as these posts are almost always deleted. Truth is powerful. Satan does not want that.

[Base12]

This is a very deep and profound story that is hidden from the masses because it would be way too enlightening.

Ever heard of Enki, God of Semen?

Look...

Benito states "With Enki it is an interesting change of gender symbolism, the fertilising agent is also water, Sumerian "a" or "Ab" which also means "semen". In one evocative passage in a Sumerian hymn, Enki stands at the empty riverbeds and fills them with his 'water'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enki

Get it?

Look...

In another version of this myth, Ninhursag takes Enki's semen from Uttu's womb and plants it in the earth where eight plants rapidly germinate.

Keep reading...

And so, despite warnings, Enki consumes the other seven fruit. Consuming his own semen, he falls pregnant (ill with swellings) in his jaw, his teeth, his mouth, his hip, his throat, his limbs, his side and his rib. The gods are at a loss to know what to do; chagrined they "sit in the dust".

There is a link between all of these stories. Educate yourself people!

Put it together...

Ninti, the title of Ninhursag, also means "the mother of all living", and was a title later given to the Hurrian goddess Kheba. This is also the title given in the Bible to Eve, the Hebrew and Aramaic Ḥawwah (חוה), who was made from the rib of Adam, in a strange reflection of the Sumerian myth, in which Adam – not Enki – walks in the Garden of Paradise.

One more...

On the Adda Seal, Enki is depicted with two streams of water flowing into each of his shoulders: one the Tigris, the other the Euphrates.

The Tigris and Euphrates are symbolic of Seminal Fluid.

These are Scholars teaching this, not me. Make of it what you will.

Read...

Genesis 2:14 (New International Version)
The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Ashur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

The 'rivers' emanate from the Phallic Mountain of God. It is all there for those brave enough to look past the Milk teachings you were all told. Time to grow up. Time is short.

[The Tanager]

What heavens were created on the third day? Genesis 1 talks about land (v. 9-10) and vegetation (11-12) created on the third day, but I don’t see any mention of the heavens.

See post #29.

So, you mention Gen 1:1 being one heaven. Why go with the KJV translation of the singular here? And why isn’t Gen 1:1 just a summary statement, especially since ‘heavens and earth’ (or the reverse order) seems to have been an idiom meaning ‘everything’ used elsewhere (such as in Psalm 89:11, 113:6, 148:13, Isa 42:5, 45:12, 45:18, Jer 10:12, etc.)? Gen 2:1 even sums up, after day 6 (not day 3) is done, that the ‘heavens and earth’ were completed.

Then you mention the firmament being another heaven, pointing to 1:8. Why would the author say the heaven was created in 1:1 and then say the thing created on day 2 was called the heaven as well, without any note of this being the second heaven or having a different name of some sort?

You then say the third heaven is DNA/seed pointing to 1:9-13, although there is no naming of it as a heaven here.

Does this verse say that Adam can only name each living creature one name?

I do not see that exact text.

Then why couldn’t Adam give the same woman two different names, especially since they were at two different times reflecting two different thoughts about who she is? If she deserves a new name, why doesn't the man?

Standard Christian teaching is that those who are not redeemed go to Hell and the Lake of Fire. The Old Testament conceals this more than it reveals it. The concept is still there, however.

But the Bible talks about the deaths separately in places, so why is it talking about both here in the same breath? The article you offered directly disagrees with your assertion, saying that מ֥וֹת תָּמֽוּת׃ means their death would be certain.

Their eyes were physically closed because they were dead. The Bible often calls this 'sleeping'. The opening of the eyes is awakening from death, i.e., resurrection.

The Bible also uses this phrase metaphorically elsewhere to speak about understanding something (Jer 32:19, Luke 24:31), so why is it speaking of resurrection in this verse?

Their physiology is very different. They have 'shame' now. In other words, they have reproductive organs. That is what they were trying to hide.
When the First Adam reincarnated as the Second Adam, he received testicles.
When Ishshah reincarnated as Eve, she received a uterus.
A brand-new invention called 'Conception' is created...

Okay, thanks for clarifying that you see this as a reincarnation of the same spirits, not two completely distinct individuals.

The 'banishment' is Bible Typology and Foreshadowing of the Lake of Fire, which the Bible teaches is the portal back here again.

Where does the Bible teach that the Lake of Fire is a portal back here again?

[onewithhim]

...and of all things in them...

Where does it say that?

It refers to the word "generation" in Hebrew "תּלדה / תּולדה tôledâh" defined by Bible lexicon as course of history of creation.
Be understood as the creation of six days.

תּלדה / תּולדה tôledâh
BDB Definition:
1) descendants, results, proceedings, generations, genealogies
1a) account of men and their descendants
1a1) genealogical list of one’s descendants
1a2) one’s contemporaries
1a3) course of history (of creation etc)

Explain, please, Genesis 2:4 that speaks of God creating the earth in a "day." "Day" must mean something other than 24 hours.

[JehovahsWitness]

QUESTION In what sense then was this creation of light in another universe the first in the series of seven days which culminated in the creation of humans in the physical universe ?

It is probably best to begin with Genesis 1:1...{snip}

None of that answers my question...how is light in another universe related sequentially (1 of 7) to the events in the physical universe that would be created two days later ?

To illustrate - If doctor spoke about a particular woman's FIRST month of pregnancy , it relates to the 2nd, 3rd ... etc months because it is THAT womans baby that is developing. Now if we speak of a particular woman's first month but then explain that the 3rd month is a completely different woman, it is reasonable to ask how does your reference to "the first month" relate to a completely different woman's THIRD MONTH"

You suggest that the light of the first day was for a completely different universe. Fair enough, but how is the THIRD DAY (when another universe is created) related to the first day of the alternative universe? If they are totally unrelated shouldn't the Genesis "third day" be called the FIRST (of that particular universe)?

Can you see what I'm asking?

JW

[FruitoftheSpirit]

I am putting forth a challenge. See if you can make the Genesis 1 through Genesis 3 timelines/accounts agree with each other and not contradict as Wikipedia (and other sources) claim.

According to Wikipedia, Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 contradict one another:

“The overlapping stories of Genesis 1 and 2 are contradictory but also complementary, with the first (the Priestly story) concerned with the creation of the entire cosmos while the second (the Jahwist story) focuses on man as moral agent and cultivator of his environment.”

“Even the order and method of creation differs.”

Genesis creation narrative - Wikipedia

Did God make mistakes? If you agree with Wikipedia, let us know why.

Basic Rules:

• You are not allowed to take away from and/or add words to the verses.
• Use any translation you wish (mix and match is OK).
• The word ‘day’ must be interpreted as twenty-four hours or less.
• The interpretation of the phrase ‘surely die’ must be consistent with its usage elsewhere in the Bible.
• Use as many or as few verses as needed.
• Your interpretation must not contradict either Old Testament or New Testament.

I will submit my entry in the next post.

With careful review of the text, I personally don't see contradiction between Genesis 1 and 2.

In Genesis chapter 1 we see the words “created” and “made”. In Genesis chapter 2 we also see the words “created” and “made” but a little further into the text we are also given the words "grew/grow" and “formed”.

Genesis 2 provides insight to when things that were created actually began to grow or actually became alive. Though grass, herbs and trees were created on the third day, sea animals on the fourth day and land animals and then man on the fifth day, man was brought to life before the grass, herbs and trees began to grow and then animals were brought to life after that.

[Base12]

Where does the Bible teach that the Lake of Fire is a portal back here again?

I made a new thread to go over this topic here...

viewtopic.php?t=42343

[onewithhim]

...and of all things in them...

Where does it say that?

It refers to the word "generation" in Hebrew "תּלדה / תּולדה tôledâh" defined by Bible lexicon as course of history of creation.
Be understood as the creation of six days.

תּלדה / תּולדה tôledâh
BDB Definition:
1) descendants, results, proceedings, generations, genealogies
1a) account of men and their descendants
1a1) genealogical list of one’s descendants
1a2) one’s contemporaries
1a3) course of history (of creation etc)

Explain, please, Genesis 2:4 that speaks of God creating the earth in a "day." "Day" must mean something other than 24 hours.

Did I miss someone's explanation of Genesis 2:4? Would someone reiterate what they said, as I am interested in what they have to say about that "day." And I missed it.

[Capbook]

...and of all things in them...

Where does it say that?

It refers to the word "generation" in Hebrew "תּלדה / תּולדה tôledâh" defined by Bible lexicon as course of history of creation.
Be understood as the creation of six days.

תּלדה / תּולדה tôledâh
BDB Definition:
1) descendants, results, proceedings, generations, genealogies
1a) account of men and their descendants
1a1) genealogical list of one’s descendants
1a2) one’s contemporaries
1a3) course of history (of creation etc)

Explain, please, Genesis 2:4 that speaks of God creating the earth in a "day." "Day" must mean something other than 24 hours.

The "day"in Genesis 2:4, in Hebrew "יום yôm" some definition by BDB lexicon as 24 hour period, also as evening and morning in Genesis 1. Conformed with the meaning of "generation" as course of creation history.

Gen 2:4  N1 R1 This H428  is the account H8435  of the heavens H8064  and the earth H776  when they were created H1254a , in  R2 the day H3117  that the LORD H3068  God H430  made H6213a  earth H776  and heaven H8064 .

H3117 (Brown-Driver-Briggs)
יום yôm
BDB Definition:
1) day, time, year
1a) day (as opposed to night)
1b) day (24 hour period)
1b1) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
1b2) as a division of time
1b2a) a working day, a day’s journey