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Is there ANY legitimate reason for people to believe that a long dead body came back to life that does not involve taking someone's word for it?
Is there ANY legitimate reason for people to believe
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Is there ANY legitimate reason for people to believe
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Re: Is there ANY legitimate reason for people to believe
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Yes, the main reason would be that it happened. Forgive me stating the obvious the main reason for believing in a miracle would be the miracle having happened.
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Yes, the main reason would be that it happened. Forgive me stating the obvious the main reason for believing in a miracle would be the miracle having happened.
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Re: Is there ANY legitimate reason for people to believe
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I have opened a similar topic before, the conclusion was; that no matter how powerful, except for the sophomoric, "God can do anything," that even a creature with omnipotence cannot bring back the dead once significant rot has set in.
There are work arounds, but then they aren't resurrection, they are cloning and such, just as miraculous, possible, but not resurrection.
So, no, resurrection is impossible, even for omnipotence, therefore no legitimate reason for people to believe in it.
I have opened a similar topic before, the conclusion was; that no matter how powerful, except for the sophomoric, "God can do anything," that even a creature with omnipotence cannot bring back the dead once significant rot has set in.
There are work arounds, but then they aren't resurrection, they are cloning and such, just as miraculous, possible, but not resurrection.
So, no, resurrection is impossible, even for omnipotence, therefore no legitimate reason for people to believe in it.
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Re: Is there ANY legitimate reason for people to believe
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If you disagree, kindly set forth evidence that does not involve taking someone's word for it (oral or written) and cite sources other than someones word.
How, exactly, do you know that it happened? Could it be that you take someone's word for it (oral or written)?JehovahsWitness wrote:Yes, the main reason would be that it happened.Zzyzx wrote: Is there ANY legitimate reason for people to believe that a long dead body came back to life that does not involve taking someone's word for it?
Forgive me for stating the obvious, but the only evidence that has been offered to believe the resurrection tales involves taking someone's word for it (oral or written).JehovahsWitness wrote: Forgive me stating the obvious the main reason for believing in a miracle would be the miracle having happened.
If you disagree, kindly set forth evidence that does not involve taking someone's word for it (oral or written) and cite sources other than someones word.
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Re: Is there ANY legitimate reason for people to believe
Post #5[Replying to post 2 by JehovahsWitness]
Forgive me for asking the obvious, but what is the reason for believing that the miracle actually happened? Hearsay is really quite a pathetic reason for believing in fantastic occurrences.Forgive me stating the obvious the main reason for believing in a miracle would be the miracle having happened.
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Re: Is there ANY legitimate reason for people to believe
Post #6Peace to you!
What about the word of the person who came back to life?
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Is there ANY legitimate reason for people to believe that a long dead body came back to life that does not involve taking someone's word for it?
What about the word of the person who came back to life?
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Re: Is there ANY legitimate reason for people to believe
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Or did you take the word of someone saying that person had been dead?
Could the 'word of the person who came back to life' be a "voices in my head" tale?
Did you observe the person being dead?
Or did you take the word of someone saying that person had been dead?
Could the 'word of the person who came back to life' be a "voices in my head" tale?
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Re: Is there ANY legitimate reason for people to believe
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Well, there is a thing called Paranormal Science as in the police catalogues around the World, also London and New York City. Paranormal science informs us that Jesus may well have come back from the other side of life, "from the dead"! Yes!
2 links, Wikipedia,
Paranormal, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranormal
Parapsychology, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parapsychology
Note: the paranormal includes notions such as black and white money determination (banking industry) and haunted, "rotten" buildings, impossible for anybody to stay inside of them (unless special circumstances for special reasons, insurance industry).
Well, there is a thing called Paranormal Science as in the police catalogues around the World, also London and New York City. Paranormal science informs us that Jesus may well have come back from the other side of life, "from the dead"! Yes!
2 links, Wikipedia,
Paranormal, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranormal
Parapsychology, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parapsychology
Note: the paranormal includes notions such as black and white money determination (banking industry) and haunted, "rotten" buildings, impossible for anybody to stay inside of them (unless special circumstances for special reasons, insurance industry).
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Re: Is there ANY legitimate reason for people to believe
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For fifty years the Randi Million Dollar Challenge stood uncollected.Aetixintro wrote: Well, there is a thing called Paranormal Science as in the police catalogues around the World, also London and New York City. Paranormal science informs us that Jesus may well have come back from the other side of life, "from the dead"! Yes!
There are many tales and testimonials claiming 'paranormal' events and abilities; however, none have been shown to be anything more than illusion or imagination. Many still choose to believe. Many must believe that long dead bodies come back to life or their religion is based on fraud, fiction, fantasy, or folklore.The One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge was an offer by the James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF) to pay out one million U.S. dollars to anyone who could demonstrate a supernatural or paranormal ability under agreed-upon scientific testing criteria. A version of the challenge was first issued in 1964. Over a thousand people applied to take it, but none were successful. The challenge was terminated in 2015
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=million+dolla ... 1-1&ia=web
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Re: Is there ANY legitimate reason for people to believe
Post #10Aetixintro wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Zzyzx]
Well, there is a thing called Paranormal Science as in the police catalogues around the World, also London and New York City. Paranormal science informs us that Jesus may well have come back from the other side of life, "from the dead"! Yes!
2 links, Wikipedia,
Paranormal, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranormal
Parapsychology, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parapsychology
I couldn't find any mention of Jesus in either of your links. Given that, how could either support your conjecture that, "Jesus may well have come back from the other side of life?"
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