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Are we living in the last days?

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JehovahsWitness wrote: From speaking with my brothers and sister, far from undermining our faith and causing confusion, the impact of coronavirus only serves to strengthen our conviction we are living in the last days and our resolve to preach the good news of the kingdom before the Lord tells us the work is complete.
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Zzyzx wrote: .
vinil1982 wrote: Yes...things around the world right situation shows we are living in the last days.
According to Christian prognosticators we have been living in 'the last days' for two thousand years. That makes about a hundred generations living under the threat from doomsday tales -- with many anxiously awaiting the return of their 'savior'.

According to Jehovah's Witnesses we have been living in the last days for just over 100 years (since 1914) which is just one (bibljcal) "generation"*. Jesus predicted the end of the system of things will come before that generation has all died out.

* A generation is all the contempories of a particular group. For more on this please see my earlier post: How long is the generation Jesus referred to at Matthew 24:35?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 902#898902

NOTE For JWs "the end" means the end of sickness, disease, world poverty and all human suffering; it does not represent "doom" for anyone but the incorrigiblly wicked.



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JehovahsWitness wrote: According to Jehovahs Witnesses we have been living in the last days for just over 100 years (since 1914)
JW didn't even exist until made up in the 1870s by Charles Taze Russell in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
JehovahsWitness wrote: which is just one (bibljcal) "generation".
Where does the Bible define the term 'generation' and what is its length?

In real life, a generation (from birth to reproduction) is generally considered twenty to thirty years.
JehovahsWitness wrote: Jesus predicted the end of the system of things will come before that generation has all died out.
A two thousand year generation? Yet another failed 'prophesy'.
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Zzyzx wrote: Where does the Bible define the term 'generation' and what is its length?

Bible definitions are usually acquired through an examination of usage. When there is a conflict between how a term is used in the bible and conventional use one has to read relevant scriptures and then use critical thinking skills. In this case biblical and conventional definition agree so a dictionary* is of use.
Definition of GENERATION

1a: a body of living beings constituting a single step in the line of descent from an ancestor

b: a group of individuals born and living contemporaneously.

c: a group of individuals having contemporaneously a status (such as that of students in a school) which each one holds only for a limited period


source https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/generation
So both the biblical and the conventional understanding is that a generation refers to a group (NOT to the decades before a group can reproduce (birth to 20 or 30). So biblically a particular generation is not simply when the oldest member of said group dies (70 or 80 years) but when the last contempory of said group dies.
For more on this please see my earlier post: How long is the generation Jesus referred to at Matthew 24:35?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 902#898902




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Zzyzx wrote:
A two thousand year generation?
Are you suggesting 1914 was 2000 years ago?



JehovahsWitness wrote: According to Jehovah's Witnesses we have been living in the last days for just over 100 years (since 1914) which is just one (biblical) "generation"*. Jesus predicted the end of the system of things will come before that generation has all died out



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Tcg wrote: Another week has passed with no milestones to report. Week #2 and there are still no events that qualify for this commitment, "to let the events coming up be my debate argument."

Perhaps next week.
There is no need to ask for a weekly status check. Even if things don't occur on a weekly basis does not mean we're not in the last days.

But, anyways, during the past week, in the weekly Fed balance sheet report, it ominously hit 6.66 trillion.

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This gentle retort appears logical to me.

If you live by number then you shall die by number!

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It appears to me as though the entire structure of the US economy (and with it the society) is in deep trouble.

This does not indicate to me 'last days' -- except perhaps the sense of ending US dominance / leadership in world affairs. Throughout history nations have risen to prominence then declined to second-rate (or lower) status. We ride a roller coaster.
The average age of empires, according to a specialist on the subject, the late Sir John Bagot Glubb, is 250 years. After that, empires always die, often slowly but overwhelmingly from overreaching in the search for power. The America of 1776 will reach its 250th year in 2026.
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Zzyzx wrote: It appears to me as though the entire structure of the US economy (and with it the society) is in deep trouble.

This does not indicate to me 'last days' -- except perhaps the sense of ending US dominance / leadership in world affairs. Throughout history nations have risen to prominence then declined to second-rate (or lower) status. We ride a roller coaster.
Yes, it's the last days for the US empire. We are so deep in debt and financial instability that the only recourse now is to put money printing in hyperdrive. The elite continue to grab more money and power while the rest of the country goes down the drain. Banana republic anyone?

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You nailed it

I am NOT optimistic -- but have no concern for myself (being of rather advanced age and basically a hermit); however, I have great concern for those younger who will bear the brunt of the disruption that seems inevitable.
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otseng wrote:
Zzyzx wrote: It appears to me as though the entire structure of the US economy (and with it the society) is in deep trouble.

This does not indicate to me 'last days' -- except perhaps the sense of ending US dominance / leadership in world affairs. Throughout history nations have risen to prominence then declined to second-rate (or lower) status. We ride a roller coaster.
Yes, it's the last days for the US empire. We are so deep in debt and financial instability that the only recourse now is to put money printing in hyperdrive. The elite continue to grab more money and power while the rest of the country goes down the drain. Banana republic anyone?
I would ordinarily be more concerned about printing money this year, but inflation and interest rates have been relatively low the last ten years. And the U.S. remains a place where the world invests. Social Security is a forced savings system that has worked out well, despite the chronic complainers.

But the tremendous wealth inequality, world wide, is deeply troubling. Fortunately we have a mixed economy with a healthy dose of socialism, and the middle class is still well off despite the constant carping.

Our political system is damaged. The electoral college and court packing have given us a system that makes it too easy to have leadership that does not represent the majority, and has proved it can elected representatives that do not represent the majority. Then of course, we have a current president who is incompetent, selfish, and amoral, a man of incredible ignorance and corruption.

I'm not worried, as long as the November elections do a better job of reflecting majority values than they did in 2016.

Post Script:
ALWAYS bet against the 'last days' doomsayers. They've always been wrong. They've. been wrong for 200,000 years. Their rate of 'wrongness' is 100%.
AND, if for once they turn out to be right, you won't have to pay off. :)

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