Are Jews and Muslims excluded from heaven?

[polonius]

Does official (and unchangeable) Catholic Church teaching exclude Jews and Muslims from heaven.?

Given the official nature of the teachings and plain meaning of words, it does.

Catechism of the Catholic Church:

1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them. Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.

The Council of Florence (A.D. 1438-1445) From Cantate Domino — Papal Bull of Pope Eugene IV

"It firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart “into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels� [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.

We also define that the holy apostolic see and the Roman pontiff holds the primacy over the whole world and the Roman pontiff is the successor of blessed Peter prince of the apostles, and that he is the true vicar of Christ, the head of the whole church and the father and teacher of all Christians, and to him was committed in blessed Peter the full power of tending, ruling and governing the whole church, as is contained also in the acts of ecumenical councils and in the sacred canons. "

Or is this just papal bull?

[Benoni]

All will be saved in the end.

Romans 5:18-20 (Weymouth’s)
It follows then just as the result of a single transgression is a condemnation which to the whole race, so also is the result of a single degree of righteousness is a life giving acquittal which extends to the whole race. (19) for as thought the disobedience of one individual the mass of mankind were constituted as sinners, so also though the obedience of one, the mass of mankind will be constituted righteous. Now law was brought in later on so that the transgression might increase, but sin increased, grace is overflowed.
Hab 2:14 For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. (KJV)

[Justin108]

All will be saved in the end.

Romans 5:18-20 (Weymouth’s)
It follows then just as the result of a single transgression is a condemnation which to the whole race, so also is the result of a single degree of righteousness is a life giving acquittal which extends to the whole race. (19) for as thought the disobedience of one individual the mass of mankind were constituted as sinners, so also though the obedience of one, the mass of mankind will be constituted righteous. Now law was brought in later on so that the transgression might increase, but sin increased, grace is overflowed.
Hab 2:14 For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. (KJV)

Matthew 25:46

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.�

Who is "they" referring to in this verse?

[polonius]

All will be saved in the end.

Romans 5:18-20 (Weymouth’s)
It follows then just as the result of a single transgression is a condemnation which to the whole race, so also is the result of a single degree of righteousness is a life giving acquittal which extends to the whole race. (19) for as thought the disobedience of one individual the mass of mankind were constituted as sinners, so also though the obedience of one, the mass of mankind will be constituted righteous. Now law was brought in later on so that the transgression might increase, but sin increased, grace is overflowed.
Hab 2:14 For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. (KJV)

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[Elijah John]

The ancient RCC thaught this, they no longer do. Now it is the Evangelicals who would excluded Jews and Muslims from Heaven, unless they accept Christ as their "Lord and Savior".

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by polonius.advice]

The first disciples including Peter and the other Apostles were all Jewish so obviously the Catholic Popes, infallible or not were wrong if that is what they taught.

Nationality is irrelevant when it comes to going to heaven, but only those that are born again of holy spirit, which would require accepting Christ, are eligible to go to heaven. There will be a total of 144,000 individuals in this catagory.

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[Justin108]

[Replying to post 1 by polonius.advice]

The first disciples including Peter and the other Apostles were all Jewish so obviously the Catholic Popes, infallible or not were wrong if that is what they taught.

Nationality is irrelevant when it comes to going to heaven, but only those that are born again of holy spirit, which would require accepting Christ, are eligible to go to heaven. There will be a total of 144,000 individuals in this catagory.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

I'm pretty sure polonius.advice is referring to those practicing Judaism rather than people of Jewish descent

Nationality is irrelevant when it comes to going to heaven, but only those that are born again of holy spirit, which would require accepting Christ, are eligible to go to heaven. There will be a total of 144,000 individuals in this catagory.

Do you believe in determinism?

[Justin108]

What purpose would a system of government have when God is both omnipotent and omniscient? Why would an omnipotent God need to delegate in order to effectively rule? Can you perhaps give a few examples of what these rulers would be tasked to do? What purpose would rulers have in a paradise society? There is no economy to take care of, no resource distribution, no justice system as all members at this point will be free of sin... what is left for the rulers to do?

I'm opening a thread on this if you would rather discuss this there
viewtopic.php?p=878618#878618

[Monta]

The ancient RCC thaught this, they no longer do. Now it is the Evangelicals who would excluded Jews and Muslims from Heaven, unless they accept Christ as their "Lord and Savior".

That RCC no longer teaches it is a relief.

Evangelicals certainly give plenty of money to Jews for their earthly kingdom... don't understand they'd keep them from heavenely.

[Elijah John]

The ancient RCC thaught this, they no longer do. Now it is the Evangelicals who would excluded Jews and Muslims from Heaven, unless they accept Christ as their "Lord and Savior".

That RCC no longer teaches it is a relief.

Evangelicals certainly give plenty of money to Jews for their earthly kingdom... don't understand they'd keep them from heavenely.

They claim to love the Jewish people, and support the state of Israel with votes and charity. But it seems Evagelicals believe that Jews will all (or most of them) come to accept Jesus as their "Lord and Savior" and buy into the New Testament (book of Revelation) "end-times" apocalyptic interpretations.

So their love and friendship for the Jewish people really seems conditional and contingent upon that belief. One wonders if Evangelical friendship will persist when the vast majority of Jews maintain their deeply held opposition to the notion of Jesus messiahship, his supposed Divinity and his alleged "atoning" sacrifice on the cross..