According to the tales, Jesus gave up a weekend.

[Zzyzx]

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According to the tales, Jesus gave up a weekend. What’s the big deal?

What is the ‘sacrifice’ in a supposedly eternal being giving up a weekend being ‘dead’?

An 'omnipotent god' (or part thereof, or whatever is claimed) would presumably know that the 'death' was extremely temporary -- just a few hours (less than 48 according to the tale).

[JehovahsWitness]

... I didn't want to suggest that Jesus was paying for sex. On the contrary. Women could have been throwing themselves at him. In private anyway.

Emphasis MINE

Are you suggesting Jesus was sexually immoral and engaged in sexual behaviours with the women in his entourage or others?

I wonder what benefits she was trying to buy? (and no I'm not insinuating anything sexual)

Then what are you insinuating ? And on what basis are you suggesting she was trying "to buy" anything?



JW

[JehovahsWitness]

I am saying that he got lots of benefits from being a celebrity. ..

You are repeating yourself. Maybe you would like to state in one or more complete sentences what you see as reproachable, hypocritical or even immoral in the above. Feel free to say "Nothing at all" if that be your pleasure.

We have no way of knowing just how much wealth Jesus had accumulated before his death.

Do we have any way of knowing whether he had accumulated any wealth before his death? Is there anything in the bible narrativen that supports him having done so? Two negative answers and we can move right along...

HITCHENS RAZOR

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.�

They would have had good reason to try to con people. Not saying they were con-artists.

A wise decision. Well as long as you are not saying they were con artists, I have no issue. As long as you are not implying that the bible narrative suggests anything immoral or dishonest in Jesus behaviour, then I have no problem in your speculations. After all, everyone needs a hobby!



JW

[JehovahsWitness]

Of course his family and home town would have been a bit difficult to convince that he had become the son of god. Joseph Smith encountered the same problem. Locals knew he was a fraud.

Are you insinuating that Jesus was known in hs locality to be a fraud ?

While its true Jesus was ill received in his home town, it is also true the bulk of Jesus disciples were from the immediate vaccinity. Further it iis unlikely not one person from his from his home town became a believer. In short Jesus did not avoid his home territories and many locals from the region saw in him a great prophet. All but one if his Apostles were northerners from Galilee.

MARK 3:7-8
And a great multitude from Galilee and from Judea followed him. Even from Jerusalem and from Idumea and from across the Jordan and from around Tyre and Sidon, a great multitude came to him when they heard about the many things he was doing.

NOTE Mark reports that they crowds came, not because they heard about the great things he was saying or "claiming", but because of the great things he was "doing".


JW

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[JehovahsWitness]

JESUS THE BABY CRIMES!

... Right from the day he was born he was lavished with expensive gifts ...

I can't help it if you can't see the hypocrisy, even for a guy who believed he was the son of God. Jesus supposedly came to this earth to be one of us. ... Not to be lavished with gifts.

That a false dichotomy if ever I heard one, firstly, gifts even expensive ones, are not an alien experience, the human experience involves giving and receiving gifts so if Jesus came to earth to be "one of us" that would be part of it. Further there is nothing in scripture that indicates God would not be pleased if his son were offered expensive gifts. Indeed, giving expensive gifts to the son of God is absolutely appropriate. When royal babies are born there is usually a long procession of foreign dignitaries and diplomats that present all manner of rare and expensive gifts. How much more for the son of God. If the angels announced his birth it was to signal this was no ordinary baby and should have been treated accordingly.

You charge Jesus with hypocrisy, you insinate greed, immorality and even some strange "baby crime" (I'm not even going to attempt to pin you down as to what wrong he commited in the crib) but do not present any evidence that he ever went against his (not your) his own teachings or that of the bible.

• Jesus parents were offered expensive gifts by individuals conscious their baby was born to be a king, and they (Mary and Joseph) accepted it, because they had every right to.

There was nothing wrong, immoral, corrupt, greedy, hypocritical, underhanded, misleading, unscriptural or unlawful about the above.



JW


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[Zzyzx]

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Of course his family and home town would have been a bit difficult to convince that he had become the son of god. Joseph Smith encountered the same problem. Locals knew he was a fraud.

Are you insinuating that Jesus was known in hs locality to be a fraud ?

I am saying that it is difficult for a fraud to fool people who know him well (or since childhood).

While its true Jesus was ill received in his home town,

Joseph Smith had the same problem

it is also true the bulk of Jesus disciples were from the immediate vaccinity.

“You can fool some of the people some of the time . . .�

Further it iis unlikely not one person from his from his home town became a believer.

See next above

In short Jesus did not avoid his home territories and many locals from the region saw in him a great prophet.

Luke 4:28-30 All the people in the synagogue were furious when they heard this. 29 They got up, drove him out of the town, and took him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw him off the cliff. 30 But he walked right through the crowd and went on his way.

Also see: “In the end, Jesus is rejected in his hometown of Nazareth. He escapes the mob, but is run out of town.� https://www.drivethruhistory.com/jesus- ... -nazareth/

What part of "run out of town" is unclear or difficult to comprehend?

[JehovahsWitness]

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Of course his family and home town would have been a bit difficult to convince that he had become the son of god. Joseph Smith encountered the same problem. Locals knew he was a fraud.

Are you insinuating that Jesus was known in hs locality to be a fraud ?

I am saying that it is difficult for a fraud to fool people who know him well (or since childhood).

What has that got to do with Jesus?

[JehovahsWitness]

In short Jesus did not avoid his home territories and many locals from the region saw in him a great prophet.

Luke 4:28-30 All the people in the synagogue were furious when they heard this. 29 They got up, drove him out of the town, and took him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw him off the cliff. 30 But he walked right through the crowd and went on his way.

Are you suggesting this disproves anything I posted? If so what? Here is what I posted. There are only 4 lines.

While its true Jesus was ill received in his home town, it is also true the bulk of Jesus disciples were from the immediate vaccinity. Further it iis unlikely not one person from his from his home town became a believer. In short Jesus did not avoid his home territories and many locals from the region saw in him a great prophet. All but one if his Apostles were northerners from Galilee.

All that remains is for you to point out which of the four lines is inaccurate and which line is proved wrong by the biblical passage cited and try and make a sentence to explain how.






JW

[marco]

Are you insinuating that Jesus behaved or spoke in a manner that sought an inordinate and inappropriate amount of praise for himself or that he bowed to flattery perhaps giving favours or special attention to those that flattered his ego?

I thought I was stating it rather than insinuating. Take Matthew 16: 13, for example, where Jesus asks the leading question: "Who do men say that I am?" Then when Peter, not the brightest apple in the orchard, gives a flattering reply, he is praised. "God must have told you that!" Quite!

Free food and drink - we hear nothing of his carpentry income, only his chat. And expensive oil lavished on him.

Are you implying there is anything wrong with any of the above?

You seem to have forgotten that I am simply answering the question: what benefits did Christ receive?

He overplayed his celebrity and suffered the consequences of his hubris.

What do you mean by "overplayed"?* can you clarify please?

He was celebrated as a preacher and perhaps as a clever magician. People flocked to see him. Surrounded by people who honoured the Prophets it was rather foolish of him to say he was bigger than Abraham, or words to that effect. Perhaps had he remained a magical preacher, content with handouts, he would have died a more peaceful death. But perhaps he deliberately put himself at risk.... and overplayed his role.

[JehovahsWitness]

Are you insinuating that Jesus behaved or spoke in a manner that sought an inordinate and inappropriate amount of praise for himself or that he bowed to flattery perhaps giving favours or special attention to those that flattered his ego?

I thought I was stating it rather than insinuating. ...

No I don't think you did. But never mind, it's clear now, the comment above is in fact what you were stating (not insinuating)? Understood.

Free food and drink - we hear nothing of his carpentry income, only his chat. And expensive oil lavished on him.

Are you implying there is anything wrong with any of the above?

You seem to have forgotten that I am simply answering the question: what benefits did Christ receive?

That's fine, as long as no insulation of wrong doing is being suggested, I have no problem with your post. I'm going to make a statement, feel free to challenge me, there is nothing in those activities that is biblically objectionable or out of line with Jesus stated and implied mission.



JW

[JehovahsWitness]

.. it was rather foolish of him to say he was bigger than Abraham, or words to that effect.

He implied he was older than Abraham, and, maybe we should mention the elephant in the room, he also claimed to be the Messiah and the Son of God. The question then (based on your comment) is, were these statements "over playing" his role, implying he went beyond what was wise or necessary given his "role"/position. I say no, he did not "overplay" his role. You say yes he did. Obviously a bible believing Christian is not going to agree with a faithless* atheist on what that role was.




JW

* when I say "faithless" I mean has no faith in any god.