JW's claim of Kingdom of God establish in 1914?

Revelations won · Post by **Revelations won** » Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:32 pm

What was the date of this claim of the Kingdom of God restored in 1914?

What did God do to set up the Kingdom of Heaven?

Is there any record of what he said to accomplish this great event?

Did the JW's originally claim that Christ would come on the date they claimed?

Let us hear your clear answers to the above questions.

Kind regards,
RW

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 8:56 am

Avoice wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:24 am [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #4]

He became king in 1914? What was he before that?

The WORD, the firstborn of God's creations, the Son of God, the promised Messiah, The foremost Prince ...

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JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:27 am

Avoice wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:24 am
What did he become the king of?

He became King of the world, ie the planet earth.

REVELATION 11:15

The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ

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JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:46 am

Avoice wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:24 am
How did the world change once he became king?...

Conditions on earth became worse.

WHY DID CONDITIONS IN EARTH WORSEN AFTER JESUS TOOK UP HIS KINGSHIP IN 1914?

Because one of the first things the bible indicates he did was cast (permanent evict) Satan and the demons from heaven to the vicinity of the earth. No longer able to cause problems for the loyal angels an enraged Satan multiplied his efforts to cause humans the maximum amount of distress.

REVELATION 12:12

" Woe for the earth and for the sea , because the Devil has come down to you"

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:04 am

Avoice wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:24 am And what he [Jesus ] did for mankind after 1914?

THAT HAS JESUS BEEN DOING FOR MANKIND SINCE 1914?

Putting in place the structure for a new world order.

- The celestial war resulting in Satan and his demons being permanetly ousted from heaven - Rev 12:10-12

- The gathering/selecting training and appointing of the last of the members of his government of 144, 000 co-rulers (Rev 14:1,3)

- The selecting, training, organizing and education of the potential subjects of the above kingdom government (Rev 7:9; Isaiah 11:9; Isaiah 2:4)

- The organisation of a global government campaign puting all humans on notice of the coming change in world order (Mat 24:14)

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Avoice · Post by **Avoice** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:47 pm

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #11]

You call Jesus the "promised messiah". By giving him that title it means that you've accepted him as your Messiah. You can't expect any more than what you've already received from him. He's either the Messiah or he isn't. You've already crowned him. Meaning your satisfied with him. You believe he deserves the crown

What did God promise the messiah would do?
Did Jesus do it? The operative word is DO.

Which is it?
1) HE IS THE MESSIAH. (completed the work)
2) YOU WANT TO BELIEVE HE IS THE MESSIAH
(Work unfulfilled)

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:28 pm

Avoice wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:06 am I dont get the post.

Nothing happened in 1914. Is the purpose of this post to admit it was a false prophecy? Or to give an excuse why it didn't happen and try justifying the false claim?

What do you mean "nothing happened in 1914"? That was when the time of the Gentiles would end, for one thing (Luke 21:24). From thenceforth Jesus would be intimately involved in getting the message of the Kingdom out to the world. (Matthew 24:14) This has proved to be right on the money. Also, World War I started in 1914---unprecedented warfare, involving the entire world. That was the result of Jesus' taking his throne in that year, and the first thing he did was cast Satan and his demons out of heaven down to the earth (Revelation 11:15; Rev.12:7-10). Satan started immediately lashing out at Jehovah and Jesus, and the second "horseman of the Apocalypse" started riding. (Revelation 6:4) So a lot happened in 1914. It is sad that no one else saw these things happening and have said that they are meaningless as described in the Bible. These folks are missing out on a whole lot.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:43 pm

Avoice wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:47 pm [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #11]

You call Jesus the "promised messiah". By giving him that title it means that you've accepted him as your Messiah.

Yes that is correct, I do.

IS JESUS THE MESSIAH?

JOHN 1: 40, 41

Andrew, the brother of Simon Peter, was one of the two who heard what John said and followed Jesus. 41 He first found his own brother Simon and said to him: “We have found the Messiah” (which means, when translated, “Christ”)

Avoice wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:47 pmWhat did God promise the messiah would do?

Rule over Gods Kingdom forever.

ISAIAH 9: 6, 7

For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership* will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. To the increase of his rulership And to peace, there will be no end, On the throne of David and on his kingdom In order to establish it firmly and to sustain it through justice and righteousness, from now on and forever.

* Or “government; princely rule.

Avoice wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:47 pmDid Jesus do it? The operative word is DO.

We haven't come to the end of forever yet , but I sincerely believe he will.

Avoice wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:47 pmYou've already crowned him.

I have not crowned Jesus (as in : authorised him to rule as King ), that of course is somethjng ONLY Almighty God has the authority to do. I believe God crowned Jesus in 1914.

Avoice wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:47 pm... your satisfied with him [Jesus]. You believe he deserves the crown

Yes, of course I am satisfied with Jesus Christ; I am a Christian.

Yes I believe Jesus deserves to rule as King

JW

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JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:48 pm

Avoice wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 4:47 pm
Which is it?
1) HE IS THE MESSIAH. (completed the work)
2) YOU WANT TO BELIEVE HE IS THE MESSIAH (Work unfulfilled)

The above is a false dichotmy. Jesus is the Messiah and has completed "the work" given to do as such, namely to offer a ransom sacrifice for mankind and to gather a people to God as His children. Jesus promise to return after he has been appointed as King to complete all the "Messianic promises" connected with the above.

Avoice · Post by **Avoice** » Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:12 am

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #18]

Where is is it foretold in the Hebrew Scriptures that the messiah would sacrifice himself. Then die. And rise again
Then return?

Avoice · Post by **Avoice** » Tue Mar 01, 2022 7:29 am

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #8]

You "PRESUME the witnesses were faithful angels? Presume?

What human did the angels tell this to? The message had to get to your kingdom hall somehow? So who was the first to know?
The story started somewhere. So where? With who?

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