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So, where do you stand as to whether it is present, future, or has both a present and a future aspect?Luke 16:
6 The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone is being zealously urged into it.
Revelations won wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:33 pm JW,
I looked through the different posts, but did not find what happened in 1914. Would you kindly recount what happened in that year with specific details. I would be interested to know about this.
Thank you,
RW
Checkpoint wrote: ↑Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:02 pm
What do JWs believe he was before he became king in that year?
tam wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:48 pm Peace to you JW,
Has He not been calling, gathering (and even training) the members of His Bride (His Body) since the very start, two thousand years ago? Or are you suggesting that in 1914 many of those who make up the Bride (the Body) of Christ were resurrected and are at this moment alive and working (instead of sleeping, awaiting the first resurrection)? Are you suggesting that the first resurrection occurred in 1914?JehovahsWitness wrote:tam wrote: [Replying to post 275 by JehovahsWitness]
So setting aside the differences in understanding as to the Kingdom, which seem at least in part to come down to a difference in understanding of words... lets move onto timing a little.
You (the WTS at least) say 1914. May I ask how the Kingdom (using your understanding of the Kingdom) has been ruling since 1914? In what way?
Since Jesus has been given permission to start to exercise his specific government powers he has done so in the following ways:
#1 He has begun gathering his "cabinet members" or "co-rulers" to be with him in order to assume their governmental roles, many of which are already in heaven working in their chosen positions (see Phil 3:20; Rev 20:6)
Rev 20:6 that you cited speaks of the first resurrection (singular) and those who will reign with Christ for a thousand years. It does not speak of the first resurrection beginning in 1914 and carrying on for more than a century. Indeed, the first resurrection occurs at one time (and some never die at all). Those who have died and those who are still alive are changed "in a twinkling".
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord. 1Thess 4:16, 17
Are you suggesting that Christ descended from heaven already (in 1914) with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God? If not, then how could the dead in Christ have already risen?
Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 1Corinth 15:52
We will all be changed, in an instant, at the last trumpet.
Did Christ not do that two thousand years ago, defeating the Adversary and his work? Why would you not think that the prince of this world was cast out at that time? (John 12:31)JW wrote: #2 He has taken needed military action to protect the integrity of this endeavor (Rev 12: 7,8)
I don't see how either of those verses support what you are saying, other than to suggest that He has servants and a great multitude that stands before the throne and the lamb, wearing white robes, faithful to Him.JW wrote: #3 He has He has gathered and is educating millions of subjects, already loyal to his government as to future requirements ((Isaiah 65:13, 14; Rev 7:9).
He, however, is and has been training His Bride (His Body) from the start, teaching them (truth, mercy, love, faith...), training them in all righteousness, subduing them in order to prepare them to reign with Him as kings and priests in His Kingdom. He has been leading them into all truth... right from the start (two thousand years ago).
This did not start in 1914.
A religion might have started in and around 1914, but sadly - so very sadly for all those men and women in the religion who sincerely wish to do what God wants - that religion does not teach its members to obey Christ in all things.
Sounds to me (verse 9) like they were put on warning a long time ago. Nor do I think that JW's are the first or the last to remind the rulers of this world (religious or political) of these things.JW wrote: #4 He has publically put the national governments of the world on notice, (through a global campaign conducted by his earthly representatives: Jehovah's Witnesses) that their right to rule has terminated and they should submit or face the consequences (Ps 1:6-12)
I don't know what this means: 'previewed a date'. Can you elaborate? In your elaboration, can you explain why this is something that happened in 1914, but not before 1914? Thank you.JW wrote: #5 He has previewed a date for the taking over of power from human to Divine rule as well as the angelic military force in place to ensure that that takeover takes place (Dan 2:44)
Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy
Deeogee wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:50 pm [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2]
The kingdom of God is not physical. (Jn 18:36).
The kingdom of God is within you. (Luke 17:21)
Some were placed into the kingdom in the first century. (Col.1:13)
The kingdom was to be established during the lives of the apostles. (Mark 9:1)
If the kingdom was not established during the lives of the apostles then there are some apostles walking the earth today who are 2000 years old.
No it was not (Matthew 6:10 )
