Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[William]

Is it possible that these biblical ideas about living forever on this planet, were meant to be taken in a less figurative way?

Search: When will Sol expand and consume the planets?
The most probable fate of the planet is absorption by the Sun in about 7.5 billion years, after the star has entered the red giant phase and expanded beyond the planet's current orbit.

I mean, that is a long time for sure, and could definitely be Expressed as 'forever' even that it doesn't mean it in a literal sense.

I would imagine by then, any human beings of the meek variety would have changed significantly and might not even resemble humans of today - Perhaps their science would have them be able to engineer to the point where they could figure out how to move the whole planet well away from Sol, before that fateful day ever arrived...

What would be the difference between these human beings and 'gods'?

[JehovahsWitness]

Search: When will Sol expand and consume the planets?

ECCLESIATES 1:4

A generation is going, and a generation is coming but the earth remains forever.

FURTHER READING Will the Earth Be Destroyed?
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... destroyed/



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[William]

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ECCLESIATES 1:4

A generation is going, and a generation is coming but the earth remains forever.

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I would say that whomever wrote 'the Earth remains forever' didn't have access to better information back then.

We in today's world do have better access to information and observe stars in various stages so know that one day - unless humans can figure out how to move the planet, the Earth will cease to be as it is consumed by the expansion of a dying Sol.

The better way to read it is to acknowledge that 'forever' isn't intended to be taken literally, but rather to represent an extremely long time.

More to the point, is 7.5 billion years not enough for those who want to live on this planet 'forever'?

They will truly have become like 'gods' knowing everything there is to know about the planet...and like I wrote, they may even find a way to propel the planet away from danger...so what is your point really?

eta - are there any biblical references to Sol lasting 'forever'? I did a quick search but found nothing ...

[William]

I like to be helpful so I am happy to support those who believe they will remain on this planet forever, with information related to that belief system.

While 7.5 billion years is nothing to compare with an eternity, it is still a very, very long time.

Not to forget that those day, weeks and years will be going by in real-time, and are subject and restricted to the movement of the Mother Galaxy.

In relation to that, even before Sol expands, Andromeda and Milky Way will have merged [often nicknamed Milkomeda or Milkdromeda] and that in itself will cause huge turmoil which Earth herself [let alone her inhabitants,] is unlikely to escape from unscathed...

Notions of living forever on this planet are romantic stories which must have been popular around ancient campfires, - the wish in personalities who believe this so strongly they want to be a part of it, but often such wishes are not accompanied with thinking through the implications - which is also why there is a saying - "Be careful what you wish for."

YHWH will give you the desires of your heart of course - and that particular wish is fraught with terrible adventure on those who are granted it.

Perhaps it will teach them not to be so meek.

[JehovahsWitness]

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GENESIS 8: 21, 22

So Jehovah said in his heart: “...From now on, the earth will never cease to have seed-sowing and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, and day and night.” .

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[onewithhim]

[Replying to nobspeople in post #2234]

Animals can't sin, unlike people.

Yet we know animals die. So we are left with an unsolved contradiction regarding sin being the reason for death.

Plants die too. Do they add to the conundrum? Let's use our power of reason and understand that plants, animals and humans are separate groups with their own rules. Humans were made to live forever, but animals were not.

Did YHWH not breath life into plants and animals? What do you think is the defining difference, aside from unsupported belief that human were made to exist forever?
I suppose this circle back to the idea that the planet was made to exist forever, but the science appears to disagree with this belief...

The belief that humans were made to live forever is supported by the Bible.

Science also supports this because science says that the human body regenerates itself daily and sees no reason for it to break down and die. Also, science wouldn't say that the planet would not exist forever. They would say that perhaps it would SEEM that way, but they just don't know.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to nobspeople in post #2234]

Animals can't sin, unlike people.

Yet we know animals die. So we are left with an unsolved contradiction regarding sin being the reason for death.

Plants die too. Do they add to the conundrum? Let's use our power of reason and understand that plants, animals and humans are separate groups with their own rules. Humans were made to live forever, but animals were not.

There is no contradiction, and humans were created to die exactly like the other animals:

And it is appointed unto men once to die, . . .

This was AFTER they rebelled against Jehovah.

[onewithhim]

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

Matthew 5:5 states biblical Jesus saying "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth."

There is no 'forever' in that - Just that the meek inherit the earth...

Matthew 5:3 states biblical Jesus saying "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

We could infer from that- since heaven is the realm of the immortal - that the poor in spirit will experience the kingdom of heaven forever.

You didn't read Psalm 37:9-11 and 29.

"The meek will possess the earth and they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace....The righteous will possess the earth and they will live forever on it." (Psalm 37:11,29)

No I didn't read that. It appears Jesus was quoting the scripture of the day in his sermon to those who would have been familiar with said scripture.

But it does appear that both Jesus and the author of the scripture he part-quoted, were unaware that this earth would not last forever.
I wonder if it bothers the meek and righteous that while they await their promised inheritance, every day that passes adds human-made pollution to the situation?

That is why the scripture says of these last days: "The nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time came for the dead to be judged and to reward your servants the prophets and the holy ones and those fearing your name...and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth." (Revelation 11:18)

[William]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #2256]

The belief that humans were made to live forever is supported by the Bible.

Sure. We are also informed by the bible [re the belief] that what caused this to change was that humans were prevented from having access to a particular fruit which gave their bodies the ability to not die.

Science also supports this because science says that the human body regenerates itself daily and sees no reason for it to break down and die.

Perhaps the fruit of life is the missing ingredient then. Something about the fruit which would cause stabilization in the regeneration process.

Also, science wouldn't say that the planet would not exist forever.

This is because - through science - it is observed that Stars do not exist forever. Sol is a Star.

They would say that perhaps it would SEEM that way, but they just don't know.

Who are you referring to? "They"?

[William]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #2258]

But it does appear that both Jesus and the author of the scripture he part-quoted, were unaware that this earth would not last forever.
I wonder if it bothers the meek and righteous that while they await their promised inheritance, every day that passes adds human-made pollution to the situation?

That is why the scripture says of these last days: "The nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time came for the dead to be judged and to reward your servants the prophets and the holy ones and those fearing your name...and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth." (Revelation 11:18)

So - even more mess for the meek to inherit.

But how does this explain why Jesus appears to be unaware that the Earth will not literally exist forever?