Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2289]

My question still remains.

Why would YHWH fiddle with the laws of this universe when YHWH can simply make an alternative {new} Earth and put folk there.

[JehovahsWitness]

Why would YHWH fiddle with the laws of this universe ....

Who is suggesting God is going to "fiddle with the laws of this universe"? I presume you are referring to altering the physical laws that govern our material carbon based universe? Who said God was going to do this?

[JehovahsWitness]

... YHWH can simply make an alternative {new} Earth and put folk there.

He could, but why should he when he has a perfectly good planet already built for purpose?

[JehovahsWitness]

Yes, we can live forever here on the earth -- but not as humans.

We must be changed to spirits.

HOW DO WE KNOW IT WILL BE HUMAN BEINGS NOT SPIRITS THAT WILL LIVE FOREVER ON EARTH ?


Because the earth was created for humans not spirits; since the bible assures us whatever God purposes must come true, then t is impossible for God to fail to make this happen and instead give the planet to another life form or leave it uncared for to the animals.

PSALMS 115:16 - Holman Christian Standard Bible

The heavens are the LORD’s, but the earth He has given to the human race.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to William in post #2280]

There's an awful lot of speculation and imaginary scenarios going on......Can we just go with what we know has occurred, go by the Bible, and stop second-guessing Jehovah? He has made a beautiful planet for us to live on, and, in the long run, has made a way to eliminate wickedness and suffering from this earth. There is no need for an entirely different planet for us to live on. This one will always do just fine.

The bible also speaks of a new Earth - so the speculation has the bibles backing.
So my questions remain relevant. There is no second guessing involved.

It is "new" in the sense that it will be cleaned up and rid of all pollution and chaos and evil. There is no reason to destroy this beautiful planet and make a new one. You don't burn down a house that's been neglected.....you get rid of the nefarious tenants.

[onewithhim]

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

In the Book of Corinthians, Paul is addressing living human Christians is the city of Corinth, when he writes the following:

Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed.

Christians shall not all sleep, but all of us will be changed.

There are two type of living beings -- natural and spiritual.

Paul states that natural bodied human Christians will be changed.

If they are presently natural bodied beings, the only change they can make is to become spiritual bodied beings.

Yes, we can live forever here on the earth -- but not as humans.

We must be changed to spirits.

It has been written many times here on this thread that there are two groups of people---people with different hopes. There is the 144,000 group, people who have been chosen by Jehovah to go to heaven to rule with Christ over the earth. Then there is the "great multitude" (KJV) that will live on the earth forever as physical humans. The difference can be seen when we look at Revelation 7:4 and 9. Two distinct groups.

We on the earth will not be changed to spirits. I quoted Isaiah 11:1-9 to show that the new earth will be very physical, with animals along with humans. There are no animals in the spirit world. The 144,000 will be changed to spirits, but not those with the earthly hope.

[Eloi]

[Replying to William in post #2280]

There's an awful lot of speculation and imaginary scenarios going on......Can we just go with what we know has occurred, go by the Bible, and stop second-guessing Jehovah? He has made a beautiful planet for us to live on, and, in the long run, has made a way to eliminate wickedness and suffering from this earth. There is no need for an entirely different planet for us to live on. This one will always do just fine.

The bible also speaks of a new Earth - so the speculation has the bibles backing.
So my questions remain relevant. There is no second guessing involved.

It is "new" in the sense that it will be cleaned up and rid of all pollution and chaos and evil. There is no reason to destroy this beautiful planet and make a new one. You don't burn down a house that's been neglected.....you get rid of the nefarious tenants.

That's how it is.

The promise of "new heavens and a new earth" is not given in the New Testament for the first time; It was already a well-known prophecy with precisely those same words since long before Jerusalem was destroyed, and it referred to the rebuilding of the Jewish city and territory after it was razed to the ground. Isaiah gave it about 200 years before the Babylonians destroyed the city.

The primary meaning of the "new heavens" and "new earth" was a repopulation of the earth under a new system of government.

Is. 65:17 For look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth;
And the former things will not be called to mind,
Nor will they come up into the heart.
18 So exult and be joyful forever in what I am creating.
For look! I am creating Jerusalem a cause for joy
And her people a cause for exultation.

The promise to Christians in 2 Pet. 3:13 has the same application, but now to the entire planet.

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2292]

Who is suggesting God is going to "fiddle with the laws of this universe"? I presume you are referring to altering the physical laws that govern our material carbon based universe? Who said God was going to do this?

Entities of Particular Belief Systems said as much.

But if you disagree, then we agree.

I have been informed that the whole Universe has been set up the way it has and that consciousness will be involved with it throughout the process.

Maintaining paradise will be tricky and building it, tricker still.

[William]

... YHWH can simply make an alternative {new} Earth and put folk there.

He could, but why should he when he has a perfectly good planet already built for purpose?

She [YHWH] could also do both [all], thereby catering to the belief systems of all Entities of particular beliefs.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2292]

Who is suggesting God is going to "fiddle with the laws of this universe"? I presume you are referring to altering the physical laws that govern our material carbon based universe? Who said God was going to do this?

Entities of Particular Belief Systems said as much.

But if you disagree, then we agree.

I have been informed that the whole Universe has been set up the way it has and that consciousness will be involved with it throughout the process.

That is of no interest to me. May I suggest, if you wish to pursue this line of reasoning you so so with the proponent(s) of this idea.


Thanks for sharing,


JW