Why did Jesus have to be male?

[nobspeople]

Along the same lines of the thread here
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38174
Why did Jesus have to be male?
I assume he is though some may debate it if the above thread is any indication about what words mean and what terms were used then as they are now.

But why did God (whatever gender it is or isn't) decide to make a male version of himself/son (whichever you choose to believe)?
Why couldn't Jesus have been a female? Would the sacrifice he's said to have made been any more of less successful?
Was Jesus needed to be male in order to get respect and attention? If so, could this be why God is male?
What was the reason why Jesus was and had to be male?
Or was if simply random?

[JehovahsWitness]

... the point being made is they bought their hardships on themselves. They provoked their own to eviction, they caused their own deaths. Their fate was their own, God was not responsible for their downfall. In fact if the narrative is to be believed, he took reasonable measures to help them avoid making such bad decisions. They ignored the warnings and carry full responsibility for the outcome.

I can be good with that. God told them of some of the consequences that would befall them should they disobey his order. They disobeyed--They suffered.

And if a loved one coercively threatens you or harms you, perhaps it's time to review the relationship.

Possibly. But if he tries to protect you from harming yourself the review of the relationship should be favourable.



JW

[JehovahsWitness]

ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIPS

The website was extremely helpful. Based on its content it seems clear that nothing in Gods actions in the Genesis account correlates with ABUSE.




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[The Nice Centurion]

Abusers also almost always wear clothes.

That's why wearing clothes isn't much of an indicator of who is and isn't abusive. Harming a loved one because they don't do what you tell them to? That's something that abusers and only abusers do.

If you wear clothes you will perhaps appreciate why hasty generalizations and invalid syllogism should be avoided.

Au Contraire !
"Abusers" (as long as they are christians please never but never say rapers) almost always get themselves (and the kid) naked before performing the rape . . . Oh so sorry, I meant the "abusing" !

Unless you are suggesting that nobody can ever cause their own hardships by their own bad choices,

What's the fallacy called where you put a different argument into someone's mouth? I forget.

Strawman ?

Jehovah commands Rape, lets call him Rapehovah :

(Deut. 20:13-14 NASB) When the LORD your God gives it into your hand, you shall strike all the men in it with the edge of the sword. 14 Only the women and the children and the animals and all that is in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourself; and you shall use the spoil of your enemies which the LORD your God has given you.
https://www.evidenceunseen.com/bible-di ... ign-women/

[brunumb]

When people state that Adam and Eve brought about the vicious retribution of God upon themselves, then they are effectively painting God as an abuser.

I disagree. Support your concluson.

Did not God create pain, suffering and death in reaction to the behaviour of Adam and Eve?

I have already answered this question.

Actually, all you have done is played word games and danced around the issue. If God did not create pain, suffering and death then how did it come into being? If there was another agent involved, then it acted with the full cooperation of God which makes God at least complicit. Can anything happen without God allowing it to happen? In the end, all you are able to offer is disagreement, which I find perfectly understandable under the circumstances. Genesis really paints Jehovah in a very bad light.

[brunumb]

"Abusers" (as long as they are christians please never but never say rapers) almost always get themselves (and the kid) naked before performing the rape . . . Oh so sorry, I meant the "abusing" !

Do we really know that for sure given that it is necessary to have two corroborating witnesses or something.

[The Nice Centurion]

[Replying to brunumb in post #95]
Dont forget that the two witnesses have to belong to the sect, or their testimony is worthless devilish!
A brother in belief can rape 10 kids live in TV before billions of viewers. As long as there are not 2 Jehovahs Witnesses among the audience everythings fine (for the raper).
Mohammadan courts need four manly Mohammadans as witnesses for a rape, or its as if nothing happened.

[Difflugia]

Wow! Three separate, unsupported denials to the same content? I guess I touched a nerve.

Did you have a point to make about the above passage? If so do you feel inclined to actually make it?

When considering the context I would think that it's pretty obvious, but I'll spell it out. God meting out supernatural violence over disobedience fits pretty much any reasonable definition of abuse. Your defense so far has been that even lethal indifference and neglect aren't abusive as long as "the Father" isn't the proximate cause of harm and can claim at least a tiny degree of indirection. Genesis 3:14-19, however, has God claiming direct responsibility for causing harm to everyone involved, Adam, Eve, and the serpent. Even if we ignore normal standards of "reading comprehension" and play by apologist word game rules, Genesis 3:16 has God claiming direct responsibility for increasing the amount of pain that Eve suffered when having children. I would like to think that no amount of Stockholm Syndrome could paper that one over, but I'm prepared to be disappointed.

Possibly. But if he tries to protect you from harming yourself the review of the relationship should be favourable.

"This is for your own good?" Seriously? Next up, "this will hurt me more than it does you!"

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The website was extremely helpful. Based on its content it seems clear that nothing in Gods actions in the Genesis account correlates with ABUSE.

That list is almost tailor-made for the Genesis account! Extreme jealousy? Unrealistic expectations? Hypersensitivity? Blames others? Cruelty to animals?

It's almost like you're reading a different Bible than the rest of us.

[JehovahsWitness]

If God did not create pain, suffering and death then how did it come into being?

WHO CREATED DEATH?

Nobody created death. Death is simply the absence of life (just as darkness is the absence of light). One doesn't create death, one creates life thereby causing its absence to became a possibility. Accordingntonthe bible, the reality of this was "introduced " to humanity by the first human couple Adam and Eve when they willfully rebelled against their maker. Along with its cousins, suffering and unwanted and harmful emotional and physicl pain.

In short, God did not visit pain and death upon mankind, he gave humanity life, free from suffering. Adam and Eve, took that life and threw it back in His face.


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[tam]

Peace to you,

The fact that Christ refused to cast the first stone should be enough to make you question your assumptions about God. Christ is the living image of His Father. If you see Christ, then you are seeing His Father as well. Not because they are the same person, but because Christ is the perfect representation of His Father.

No, Christ is not the living image of his father and was never meant to be.

Then you are arguing about some "god" other than the God and Father of Christ.

If you are going to say that you are arguing about the "god of the bible", people see God (as written in the bible) in many different ways. What makes your way more legitimate than another way?

The way I see it Jesus was an attempt to give Jehovah/Yahweh/God something of a makeover.

An attempt by whom?

The brutal barbarian warlord god of the OT needed to be recast to push a loving, benevolent character so missing in his actions. God messed up from the very beginning in the garden of Eden where his vengeful, merciless character first raised its ugly head. Adam and Eve could have simply been forgiven and the rest of humanity should never have been saddled with the consequences of their misdemeanor. His actions unfortunately gave future organisations the confidence to treat their fellowship with similar heartless disregard instead of love and mercy.

Which organizations?



Peace again.

[JehovahsWitness]

God meting out supernatural violence over disobedience fits pretty much any reasonable definition of abuse.

I disagree, where in the GENESIS account does God commit anything close to what could be considered a violent act.