Do good people do bad things?

[Masterblaster]

Hello
Revelation: "21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

Do good people do bad things?
Are non- believers, bad people?
What is the moral yardstick for this?
How responsible are you for your own actions?
Is it a case of
"'you should have known better", "etc"
Is it even possible, for a non-believer, to commit a Sin? How ?

[TRANSPONDER]

Hello
Revelation: "21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

Do good people do bad things?
Are non- believers, bad people?
What is the moral yardstick for this?
How responsible are you for your own actions?
Is it a case of
"'you should have known better", "etc"
Is it even possible, for a non-believer, to commit a Sin? How ?

The problem of evil became the Puzzle what is it? Does one have to do Good Works to be evil because the 'Good' is absent? of evil. What is it? Is it just (in the Parable of Young Einstein (1}, "The absence of Good"? Then isn't Good the mere absence of evil? Doing no harm is good, right? But having the chance to do good and we don't, that isn't good. Evil by inaction is against the laws of robotics and like God, we should follow the laws we programmed into our robots.

Thus God ain't good,. He is a dictator who propagandises his virtue, but by His Fruits we should know him, but such is his centuries of propaganda that He could and hid, perpetrate crimes and they'd still vote for him. No, whatever good and evil is, we don't get it from a god.

That, on a forum like this, out to be all we need, and the discussion of whether morality is an evolutionary instinct made more complex by the needs of complex society or something else is for biological and sociological forum, not religious. And I guess that we might get stuck in the religious discussion anyway.

(1) if I can find it.... no trouble.



Three examples of this video on P i of Google search. And yet it is not only invalid logic, it is not true.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/false ... professor/

cue: "Fake News".

[1213]

Hello
Revelation: "21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

Do good people do bad things?
Are non- believers, bad people?
What is the moral yardstick for this?
How responsible are you for your own actions?
Is it a case of
"'you should have known better", "etc"
Is it even possible, for a non-believer, to commit a Sin? How ?

Jesus said:

Jesus asked him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good, ex-cept one--God.
Luke 18:19

That is why I wouldn't call any man good. But, if person is truly good, I don't think he would do anything bad.

And I think people are responsible of their own actions. Not knowing doesn't move the responsibility. And actually acting without knowing could be seen even worse than acting with knowing. People have responsibility to get the information, or take the responsibility of acting without information.

I have understood sin is to reject God, or to be without God. Non-believer lives probably without God, therefore it can be said he lives in sin.

[TRANSPONDER]

Hello
Revelation: "21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

Do good people do bad things?
Are non- believers, bad people?
What is the moral yardstick for this?
How responsible are you for your own actions?
Is it a case of
"'you should have known better", "etc"
Is it even possible, for a non-believer, to commit a Sin? How ?

Jesus said:

Jesus asked him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good, ex-cept one--God.
Luke 18:19

That is why I wouldn't call any man good. But, if person is truly good, I don't think he would do anything bad.

And I think people are responsible of their own actions. Not knowing doesn't move the responsibility. And actually acting without knowing could be seen even worse than acting with knowing. People have responsibility to get the information, or take the responsibility of acting without information.

I have understood sin is to reject God, or to be without God. Non-believer lives probably without God, therefore it can be said he lives in sin.

I wouldn't even try to decide whether a man was good or not. Not when we disagree on what's good anyway. Many evils are done by decent people doing their duty or their job. Saint Teddy Roosevelt said, I believe, that it was the duty of the US to occupy the Philippines and teach them to be Christians. Of course he might have thought that a Catholic nation wasn't really Christian.

No, wherever we look for morals, Christianity isn't the source.

[Masterblaster]

Hello
I had a conversation with a friend of mine yesterday.

F - "Do you know where you are going when you die"
ME - " I don't really care about that"
F - "Well you should"

Silence

To me, it was like he had heard a vindictive rumour about me at the street corner. Despite a trust over many years, it felt like he was now, acting on that rumour.

What prompts him to think that I am going to Hell, and that I am, in some way, 'a bad egg'?

Jesus told the prostitute that she needed to stop doing things that were self-destructive ,in her life. He did not threaten her insiduously with a poker. ( at least I hope not)

This is really annoying stuff and very strange!

[JehovahsWitness]

Hello
Revelation: "21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

The bible God [JEHOVAH] is a God of love! He would never condemn "good people" ie people he judges as righteous, to eternal non-existence as le symbolised by "the second death" in the book of Revelation.


Revelation 21 verse 8 is speaking about the incorrigibly wicked who persiste in their determination to defy Him and his laws.

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[JehovahsWitness]

Do good people do bad things?

Since all humans are imperfect,we would have to qualify the term "good". If we take "good" to mean "well intentioned people trying the best they know how, to do what they understand as right, then sadly, yes: even "good" people sometimes do bad things.

Myself included, we are all guilty at some time or another of doing bad things (please read Romans 7:19)



FURTHER READING : What is sin?
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... at-is-sin/



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[JehovahsWitness]

Are non- believers, bad people?

No human has the right or the ability to make such a judgement. All we can say is there and people that do whatnis catagorized in the bible canon as "bad" things or even things the bible catagorizes as "wicked". God appeals to such ones to change their ways and live in line with His loving commandements (see Isaiah 55:7)

What is the moral yardstick for this?

Logically only mankind's Creator would be in a position to say how the life He gives should or should not be used. Biblically we will all be judged according to his standards in this regard (see EZEKIEL 3: 1 9, 20)




FURTHER RESEARCH : Bible Questions answered : LIFE AND MORALS
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... le-morals/

[TRANSPONDER]

Hello
Revelation: "21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

For is a God of love Je would never condemn "good people" le people he judges as righteous, to eternal non-existence as le symboliser by the second death in the book of Revelation.

But the problem is, what is 'Righteous'? People who do good things or people who hold the right club -card? cue: "Only people with the right party -card do good things".

Are non- believers, bad people?

No human has the right or the ability to make such a judgement. All we can say is there and people that do bad things or even things the bible catagorizes as "wicked". God appear to such ones to change their ways and live in line with His loving commandements.

What is the moral yardstick for this?

Logically only mankinds creator is in a position to say how the life he gives should or should not be used. Biblically de will all be judged according to his standards.

Nobody but humans are in a position to make such judgement, about themselves and about others. It is not down to a god or indeed those who claim to speak for him.

[JehovahsWitness]

How responsible are you for your own actions?

Biblically humans are free moral agents and so we are all ultimately responsible for what we do and say.

Is it a case of "'you should have known better", "etc"

God created humans all with a conscience (see Romans 2:14). This is like an internal signal for what'is right or wrong according to his standards. Sadly, due to circumstances and imperfection, our consciences can become perverted, and malfunction if not shut down entirely. Jehovah God [YHWH] takes all this into consideration when judging individuals right to live.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS


FURTHER RESEARCH : Bible Questions answered : LIFE AND MORALS
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... le-morals/

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