Mormon Or Jehovah's Witness?

[SacredBishop]

I can't make up my mind. Should I be a Mormon or a Jehovah's Witness. Both religions sound very reasonable to me, but unfortunately neither are in my city. I would have to move, but first I need to decide which religion is correct.

Joseph Smith or Joseph Rutherford? They were both extremely intelligent men, and certainly well respected by their peers. I know every other Christian denomination is horribly wrong, and full of heresies. Help me decide. Which religion is correct?

I believe the Bible predicted the church would be restored to glory in the 1800s in America. Both religions originated in the 1800s, thus my dilemma.

[SacredBishop]

The scholarship of Jehovah's Witnesses is second to none, and I am convinced Jehovah is the correct pronunciation for the Tetragrammaton.

What scholarship led you to reach this conclusion? Did it include a study of the origin of the word "Jehovah?"


Tcg

JehovahsWitnesses simply assume the reliability of the Masoretic vowels. Jews maintain that the vowels are meant to show the reader when to say Adonai, or Elohim. For example if the Tetragrammaton is not preceded by Adonai, then the Tetragrammaton is to be read as Adonai, but if Adonai precedes the Tetragrammaton then it is to be read as Elohim. The vowels under the Tetragrammaton change for either case. A-o-ai, or e-o-i. The former ending ai, gets rendered as " a", in transliteration because the scribes were unable to fit the vowel ai under the letter h ( Heh). The Jews insinst that this is common knowledge, but JehovahsWitnesses insist the Jews are wrong about their language and their scribal tradition.

[Purple Knight]

I can't make up my mind. Should I be a Mormon or a Jehovah's Witness. Both religions sound very reasonable to me, but unfortunately neither are in my city. I would have to move, but first I need to decide which religion is correct.

Joseph Smith or Joseph Rutherford? They were both extremely intelligent men, and certainly well respected by their peers. I know every other Christian denomination is horribly wrong, and full of heresies. Help me decide. Which religion is correct?

I believe the Bible predicted the church would be restored to glory in the 1800s in America. Both religions originated in the 1800s, thus my dilemma.

I'm an atheist so it's all silliness to me. However, I consider you to be very intelligent because Mormons and JWs are the Christians that I consider to know their own lore. Other denominations, at least it's been my experience... don't always.

[Tcg]

The scholarship of Jehovah's Witnesses is second to none, and I am convinced Jehovah is the correct pronunciation for the Tetragrammaton.

What scholarship led you to reach this conclusion? Did it include a study of the origin of the word "Jehovah?"


Tcg

JehovahsWitnesses simply assume the reliability of the Masoretic vowels. Jews maintain that the vowels are meant to show the reader when to say Adonai, or Elohim. For example if the Tetragrammaton is not preceded by Adonai, then the Tetragrammaton is to be read as Adonai, but if Adonai precedes the Tetragrammaton then it is to be read as Elohim. The vowels under the Tetragrammaton change for either case. A-o-ai, or e-o-i. The former ending ai, gets rendered as " a", in transliteration because the scribes were unable to fit the vowel ai under the letter h ( Heh). The Jews insinst that this is common knowledge, but JehovahsWitnesses insist the Jews are wrong about their language and their scribal tradition.

Do you agree with the JWs and conclude that the Jews are wrong about their language?


Tcg

[Shem Yoshi]

[Replying to SacredBishop in post #1]

Well i have read more Mormon books then JW's, however I believe the JW's are rebuked by the book of Galatians that tells us not to be put back under the law, certainly the JW's have adopted a law for themselves, Paul talked of the curse of God being upon those.

And the Mormons are all over the place, the theology of the Book of Mormon gets kind of fishy, and 1 Tim 1:3-7 warns us against myths, but once you get into the 'Doctrine of Covenants' and they start teaching about everyone being a god, seems like heresy if not blasphemy. They are polytheist. Even though I liked reading the Book of Mormon for literature, believing in it is a completely different story.

the JW's certainly dont agree with the Mormons and neither do the Mormon agree with the JW's

[SacredBishop]

[Replying to Tcg in post #33]
Depends on what the Mormons say. I'm still waiting for them to weigh in. Perhaps, Mormons pronounce the Tetragrammaton differently. I'm assuming JehovahsWitnesses would say the Jews were wrong about Jesus, so maybe they're wrong about the Tetragrammaton too. I need both sides.

[SacredBishop]

I just finished reading a delightful book, Kjv Onlyism: The Narrow Gate Of Jesus Is Frightfully Narrow Indeed. I change my mind about everything I previously said. Now I am searching for a denomination that resembles my new beliefs. Thank you for the help nonetheless.

[JehovahsWitness]

I'm wondering if you overlooked this question. Additionally, where did this teaching about the Statue of Liberty being mentioned in the Bible come from? Is it an example of JW scholarship?


Tcg

No it is not. You can find all the official Jehovah's Witness teachings on the website www.jw.org

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/


JW

[JehovahsWitness]

JehovahsWitnesses simply assume the reliability of the Masoretic vowels.

This is untrue.

1. Jehovahs Witnesses chose to favor the vowels in Jehovah [Yehowah ] because of popularity (and recognisability) in the English language.

2. The origial pronunciation is quite lost due to ancient tradition. So neither Jew nor gentile can say for sure how the tetragrammaton was pronounced. Its not a question of claiming Jews are wrong about how to pronounce the tetragrammaton (JWs certainly do not conclude that the Jews are wrong about their language) it is simply a fact that, Jews don't know with certainty how Divine Name was originally pronounced.

3. If the form YAHWEH has currently gained scholarly consensus, Jehovah Witnesses have no objection to anyone using it but do not feel any obligation in view of point #1 and #2 to adopt it themselves.

... JehovahsWitnesses insist the Jews are wrong about their language and their scribal tradition....

This is untrue. (see above)



JW



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... I change my mind about everything I previously said. Now I am searching for a denomination that resembles my new beliefs. Thank you for the help nonetheless.

You are most welcome. Your posts have been "the gift that keeps on giving" for me as they have given me the opportunity to post what I hope was helpful links and information about my religion. Its very rare that there is an entire thread where I can do this so I thank you, come back any time!




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[JoeyKnothead]

We need to have a UFC for competing religions. Whatever religion holds the belt, that's the current 1True God(tm).