Dad, mom ...I'm ...um, I'm gay

[KCKID]

The title/subtitle says it all. This scenario must have occurred many, many times. We've all heard, read or seen instances of this and the types of responses that parents of their gay children have given. While we only seem to have a handful of vocal anti-gay Christians on this forum, I'm genuinely curious as to how they would react if their son or daughter came to them and told them that they're gay. Others, feel free to offer your input.

The question again: How would you (a Christian) respond to your son or your daughter coming out to you that they are gay? Without revealing any more than you need to, has this actually happened to any of you ...either as a gay son/daughter or as a parent?

[Goat]

Oh how amusing it is too watch non-Christians (goat) explain scriptures to Christians. It is such a simple verse to understand. It doesn't say anything about male prostitutes in pagan temples. It says that a man is not to have sexual relations with another man...period. Would you like New Testament verses to support homosexuality as a sinful lifestyle? I am sure that you could spin those quite well to....

Except, of course, it is the JEWISH scriptures you are using that have been mistranslated and hijacked by Christians.

You do realize the Leviticus is part of the Jewish scriptures, don't you?

[Danmark]

Oh how amusing it is too watch non-Christians (goat) explain scriptures to Christians. It is such a simple verse to understand. It doesn't say anything about male prostitutes in pagan temples. It says that a man is not to have sexual relations with another man...period. Would you like New Testament verses to support homosexuality as a sinful lifestyle? I am sure that you could spin those quite well to....

What is, in a sad way, amusing, is to see a Christian be critical of a Jew who interprets the Tanakh (or in this case more specifically the Torah) improperly because he is not a Christian. Are you aware the 'Old Testament' is simply a misnomer for a Jewish book?

[Clownboat]

The title/subtitle says it all. This scenario must have occurred many, many times. We've all heard, read or seen instances of this and the types of responses that parents of their gay children have given. While we only seem to have a handful of vocal anti-gay Christians on this forum, I'm genuinely curious as to how they would react if their son or daughter came to them and told them that they're gay. Others, feel free to offer your input.

The question again: How would you (a Christian) respond to your son or your daughter coming out to you that they are gay?

I would be disappointed

Why? Is the life task of your son/daughter not to be who they are but simply not to disappoint you?

and since they are my child then they would have known what i believed about homosexuality.

What has 'their knowing what YOU believed about homosexuality' got to do with their BEING homosexual?

I wouldn't have need of telling them how this lifestyle is sinful and rebellious to how the Creator intended mankind to live.

Do YOU live according to the myriad of commands and instructions 'to mankind' as given by 'the Creator' in the Old Testament? I would say, "No way!" So ...why would your son/daughter be held to the myriad of commands and instructions as given in the OT that YOU don't keep? Isn't that somewhat hypocritical?

I would tell them i love them and always will and will pray that they stop living that sinful lifestyle.

What if, as often happens, your prayers are unanswered ...? Do you eventually accept them 'as is'? Or, are the words from a book that you've been led to believe condemn homosexuality more important than your son/daughter?

Whoa now settle down. You asked a simple question and i answered it. I sense alot of hatred and judgment in your response to me. Would you like for me to pray for you?

Once again, the victim card is played in order to avoid debate. Rather than deal with the questions, it is much easier to pretend that there is hatred and judgement.

Some will compare this to sticking your head in the sand or plugging your ears while yelling la la la.

Why not just ask god what to say and relay his words to us. I await something profound, thank you.

[Clownboat]

According to Romans chapter one homosexuality is not rebellion against God, as Divine Insight suggests that the Bible claims. It is a result of rebellion against God. It does not say who's rebellion it is a result of. I believe it is a result of the rebellion of our forefathers. In the OT it states that God will visit the sins of the fathers to the third and fourth generation. I believe the homosexual revolution we are experiencing now is a direct result of the rebellion against God in the 70's known as the sexual revolution.

Ironically, the OT also says:
Deu 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers. Every man shall be put to death for his own sins.

Yay Bible!

[Clownboat]

I don't have a god. And my child is 3 and I pray that she does not choose to be a homosexual. I will teach her that homosexuality is a sin and not the way YHWH intended for mankind to live.

It sounds as though you could choose to be homosexual. That is not a choice I could make, so with that said, I assume you must have homosexual urges that you battle with.

How do you deal with your attraction to men in order to avoid acting on this attraction I must assume is there? This is a concept that I do not understand because I do not have an attraction to the same sex and it is simply not a choice I could make.

Perhaps you should rethink if homosexuality is really a choice?

[Clownboat]

[Replying to post 52 by Joab]

Congenital defects are what they are. Abnormalities. Only Adam (and Eve and a bunch of other people outside the Garden of Eden it seems) was created directly by God. Everyone else is made from the genetics of their parents. And as Cain shows, children can be accoutable for their own actions and behaviors. Notice Cain didn't blame God for making him a sociopath? And God didn't give him a congenital pass for having a murderous orientation?

This is a great example of why the myths in genesis are simply absurd if they are seen as anything other than what they are, myths. Taking this myth seriously as you do, you run into inescapable problems from the outset. In this story God gets it wrong from the very beginning. He creates rebellious and/or stupid people whose very first son is a jealous murderer, and according to you, a sociopath. These defective 'creations' continue to have character and genetic defects on a regular basis, but somehow you excuse God for all of this incompetence and lack of perfection.

Whether or not one believes in the God of Abraham, it is long past time to understand that these stories in Genesis are pure mythology.

Oh no just myths??? Can you prove that? So I suppose the magical explosion called the Big Bang that happened long long ago in a galaxy far far away is not a myth? Or hey how about the silly idea that random mindless chemicals just by random chance got together and some how formed a living cell....sounds kind of like the old spontaneous generation belief. Oh wait a minute what about the notion that our great great granddaddies were monkeys?? and if you go back far enough our ancestors were frogs or maybe algae?? So frogs really can become princes? You like fairy-tales and myths don't you?

Danmark, argued against actual stories in the Bible. You have nothing better than arguing against straw men of your own making.

- If there was a big bang, or expansion, why do you invoke "magic"?
- Why would you think this bang or expansion happened in a galaxy (far away or not). Does your misunderstanding really go that far?
- Then, you once again argue that evolution claims to happen by random chance.

No matter how often you are corrected, you continue to bare false witness. All this and you failed to address his point.

You will know them by their fruit.

[Clownboat]

[Replying to KCKID]

I would acknowledge their feelings but tell them not to act upon the feelings as we should not act on other feelings that may lead to sin. The urge to lie, the urge to commit adultery, the urge to steal are real feelings but if acted upon results in going against God's will.

So you would tell them to disobey Jesus and NOT love?

It is possible to love someone of the same sex and not want to have sex with the south end of their digestive tract....come to think of it the north end as well.

I would presume that you and 99% value your wives for more than just the sex they offer. Why, when it comes to homosexuality, you and 99% can't seem to take notice of anything but the sex?

I presume you value your marriage and I would assume marriage is more than just about having sex, no matter if you are talking north or south end like you brought up above. Yet, when it comes to homosexuality, all these other things that I value about my wife (and I assume you value about yours) don't ever seem to get considered.

Marriage is about so many things, but homosexuality is all about having sex it seems when you and 99% are involved. I can only speculate as to why this is.

[Clownboat]

[Replying to post 102 by help3434]

Or God created each one with a conscience or moral compass.

If you think this, then I must ask, what would your god have this person do?

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/do ... 497556.htm
She looks like a woman, acts like a woman and got married as a wife. But she couldn't bear children because she is actually a man.

The case is one in 10,000.

The patient underwent successful surgery at the Shanghai Consonancy Hospital this month.

The 27-year-old woman, identified only as Zhang, was married three years ago to her colleague in a middle school. Since she was unable to become pregnant, she visited Shanghai Consonancy after consulting the Internet.

An ultrasound check found she had no ovaries and no uterus but two small testicles hidden in the abdominal cavity. A chromosome examination, however, confirmed Zhang is actually a male.

Since Zhang has a vagina, it was not until the ultrasound exam that the couple learned "she" was a "he."

Zhang only has testicles but no other male organs, such as a penis, and other male characteristics.

She has female external genitalia and was reared as a girl.

[Clownboat]

"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." NIV Leviticus 20:13

And what that is referring to is the pagan practice of male prostitution in the temples of competing Gods in the area of the time. The word 'detestable' that is used is actually comes from the term 'Toevah' in Hebrew, which means 'ritualistically unclean'.
The 'put to death' is a common colloquialism in the Jewish scripture to emphasize the importance, and was not taken literally.. at least for a few hundred years before the second temple.

I do wish Christians would actually understand what the Jewish scriptures were talking about, if they are going to quote it so much.

It appears to me that too many Christians are concerned with taking ownership of the Jewish scriptures to take the time to actually understand them.

How would they demean homosexuals for example if they had to use accurate translations of the words after all?

What next? Jesus was not actually born of a virgin? The horror!

[Dokimas]

[Replying to post 109 by KCKID]

The will of Jesus and the will of God are the same because Jesus is God.

Here's the most important 'will of God' - Trust in Jesus: the Creator, the Savior, the One who rose from the dead.

My guess is that many misunderstand the 'God's will' of Lev. & Deut (OT).