If you don't believe the Bible.

[postroad]

Christians will often insist that certain texts can't be understood to actually mean what is plainly stated. Given enough believers I imagine that most of the Bible would be in dispute. The question is, why should the sceptic believe the Bible if Christianity does not.[/i]

[TheBeardedDude]

[Replying to post 60 by ttruscott]

*The persecution of the Anabaptists at the hands of the Catholic Church*

[postroad]

[Replying to post 57 by Tired of the Nonsense]
Not only that, but failure to do so becomes a sin.

Deuteronomy 20:16
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Leviticus 27:28
“‘But nothing that a person owns and devotes to the Lord—whether a human being or an animal or family land—may be sold or redeemed; everything so devoted is most holy to the Lord. Joshua 6:21New International Version (NIV)

21 They devoted the city to the Lord and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys. Leviticus 27:29
“‘No person devoted to destruction may be ransomed; they are to be put to death.

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[JehovahsWitness]

Assuming god is real, it would make it a hypocrite for it to be the one to decide that it can make moral commandments that it can then break but it's actions get to still be moral.

# QUESTION: Does God violate his own moral standards?

God is not subject to any commandments since he himself is the highest authority in existence; He alone reserves the right to declare what is or is not moral (right and just). That said, he choses never to violate his own moral standards because he is entirely righteous and to do so would be against his nature?

Jehovah (the God of the bible) reserves this unique right as the Creator, to ultimately decide who will live and who will die, but expresses his desire that his Creation conforms to those standards. He only acts in harmony with his cardinal qualities of love, power, wisdom and justice and never violates them. In short God declares what is right and always respects those principles in everything he does. Thus he can never justifiably be accused of being hypocritical.

If a human judges Something God does in violation of his own principles that human is mistaken.








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[TheBeardedDude]

Assuming god is real, it would make it a hypocrite for it to be the one to decide that it can make moral commandments that it can then break but it's actions get to still be moral.

# QUESTION: Does God violate his own moral standards?

God is not subject to any commandments since he himself is the highest authority in existence; He alone reserves the right to declare what is or is not moral (right and just). That said, he choses never to violate his own moral standards because he is entirely righteous and to do so would be against his nature?

Jehovah (the God of the bible) reserves this unique right as the Creator, to ultimately decide who will live and who will die, but expresses his desire that his Creation conforms to those standards. He only acts in harmony with his cardinal qualities of love, power, wisdom and justice and never violates them. In short God declares what is right and always respects those principles in everything he does. Thus he can never justifiably be accused of being hypocritical.

If a human judges Something God does in violation of his own principles that human is mistaken.

"God is not subject to any commandments since he himself is the highest authority in existence"

Then god doesn't decide what is and isn't moral. Otherwise, it is hypocritical for it to decide what is and isn't moral and then subsequently violate its own moral commandments.

[TheBeardedDude]

A dictator doesn't get to decide what is and isn't moral. Making a commandment, doesn't make something moral. Claiming that you are moral by default, doesn't make you moral.

[postroad]

[Replying to post 58 by ttruscott] You always want to have it both ways?

[postroad]

[Replying to post 63 by JehovahsWitness]
If you don't want to answer the posts I wrote just let me know.

[JehovahsWitness]

Basically, you have to do what god says to be moral, but you don't believe god does.

You are not in any position to know what I believe above and beyond what I tell you, which I have done thoughout our exchange. You are free to say if you agree with my beliefs or not but not to say what those beliefs are. I do in fact believe that God does do what he says is moral.

My understanding is it is bad show to contradict personal statements of belief, which are not debatable, since there is no way of proving the contrary.

[TheBeardedDude]

Basically, you have to do what god says to be moral, but you don't believe god does.

You are not in any position to know what I believe above and beyond what I tell you I believe which I have done thoughout our exchange. You are free to say if you agree with my beliefs or not but not to say whether I hold them or not. I do in fact believe that God does do what he says is moral. I thank you not to contradict my statements as to what I believe as those are not debateable.

I am taking what you say literally. And what you say makes your beliefs hypocritical. I am not telling you what you believe, I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy in what you believe. So, not only am I NOT claiming to know your beliefs, but I am fully and well aware of what you have told me you believe. I have NOT ONCE told you that you do or don't hold a specific belief. I continue to point out the hypocrisy in what you tell me you believe.

[postroad]

[Replying to post 11 by bjs]
Oh come now! Let's not be obstinant here. Even within the minuscule population of thirsts represented here there exists a "difference " of opinions on matters of doctrine so central to orthodox Christianity that few centuries past would have been settled at the stake.

You chose the C&A forum: Please list these differences of opinion on matters of doctrine that are central to Christianity and

please show your proof people were staked for these differences.

Listen carefully. The matter of people being killed for their beliefs is a settled historical fact. If you dispute this, go start a new thread about it.