Paradise on Earth

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:25 am

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

myth-one.com · Post by **myth-one.com** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:42 pm

William wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:02 pm [Replying to myth-one.com in post #2420]

Human beings must be changed in order to live forever on the earth.
And with the change, how can they be regarded as 'human beings'?

The only way they can be regarded as humans after that point is incorrectly!

As is being done.

Everything will be within the Kingdom of Heaven at that point.

The break away colony will have rejoined the fold.

William wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:02 pm What are the options available re existing forever'? We see that there are at least two. Heaven, or Earth. Spirit or Flesh.

There is no option.

Humans are mortal and spirits are immortal.

They are mutually exclusive. Spirit and flesh do not mix. The flesh body comes first, and will be followed with the spiritual body for only the believers.

William · Post by **William** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:59 pm

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #2431]

What are the options available re existing forever'? We see that there are at least two. Heaven, or Earth. Spirit or Flesh.

There is no option.

There is always option.

Humans are mortal and spirits are immortal.

They are mutually exclusive. Spirit and flesh do not mix. The flesh body comes first, and will be followed with the spiritual body for only the believers.

That is a convoluted description of Emergence Theory.

From memory it was Paul who claimed 'first the flesh then the spirit'?

In relation to YHWH of course, it is the 'other way around'.

What you appear to be arguing is that the human form created the personality and the whole process of life on earth is for the purpose of creating and developing distinctive personalities, which then can go on into a refinement phase...am I getting warm?

Post by **Tcg** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 5:03 pm

William wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:59 pm
From memory it was Paul who claimed 'first the flesh then the spirit'?

Well, let's not depend on memory knowing how astonishingly unreliable it is. How about a quote from the man himself?

Tcg

William · Post by **William** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 5:11 pm

Tcg wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 5:03 pm
William wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:59 pm
From memory it was Paul who claimed 'first the flesh then the spirit'?

Well, let's not depend on memory knowing how astonishingly unreliable it is. How about a quote from the man himself?

Tcg

Certainly if it is called for as necessary. Presently, the focus is on the saying rather than who said it...unless of course you think maybe Paul's name is being dragged into something less than honorable?

Post by **otseng** » Thu Apr 21, 2022 5:26 pm

William wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 1:29 pm
If you would like to know what the poster believes regarding your speculations on living without genitilia on a planet far far away, you do well to ask rather than project your assumptions or attempt strawman arguments.
You have no evidence that I have made any such speculation. You would do well not to use such dishonest remarks in any further argument - stick to the facts.

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myth-one.com · Post by **myth-one.com** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:58 am

William wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:59 pmWhat are the options available re existing forever? We see that there are at least two. Heaven, or Earth. Spirit or Flesh.

Myth-one.com wrote:There is no option.

William wrote:There is always option.

God set the rules by which individual members of mankind may gain everlasting life. Their is no other option!

He created two type of bodies -- physical and spiritual. Physical bodies are mortal and spiritual bodies are immortal.

Physical births produce physical bodies, and spiritual births produce spiritual bodies.

The only way that a physical bodied being can gain everlasting life is to somehow be reborn of the Spirit as an immortal spiritual bodied being.

That is the one, and only method for obtaining everlasting life. There is no other option.

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The only option man has is whether to accept or reject everlasting life. Maybe you're confusing the acceptance/rejection choice of everlasting life with the process by which it is created.

Under the New Testament Covenant between man and God, believing in Jesus as one's Savior makes one an heir unto everlasting life under that covenant. Believers are not actually born of the Spirit as an immortal spirit until the Second Coming. That is when the covenant is probated and we receive our inheritance.

William wrote:What you appear to be arguing is that the human form created the personality and the whole process of life on earth is for the purpose of creating and developing distinctive personalities, which then can go on into a refinement phase...am I getting warm?

Absolutely not.

As often is the case, your analysis of what I said seems totally unassociated with what I actually said.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:20 am

myth-one.com wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:58 am
The only way that a physical bodied being can gain everlasting life is to somehow be reborn of the Spirit as an immortal spiritual bodied being.

IS IT TRUE THAT PHYSICAL FLESH AND FLOOD HUMAN BEINGS CAN NEVER LIVE FOREVER?

Absolutely not.

1. The bible holds out everlasting life on earth for righteous humans.

PSALMS 37:29

The righteous will possess the earth and they will live forever on it

2. We know the "righteous" or meek will be human beings and not spirits because they will be those individuals that remain on the planet earth after the wicked have been destroyed. Since the earth is inhabited by humans, it will naturally be a catagory of flesh and blood physical humans that will be left on it.

PROVERBS 2:21 , 22

For only the upright will reside in the earth and the blameless will remain in it. As for the wicked, they will be cut off from the earth and the treacherous will be torn away from it..

3. Adam and Eve, the first physical flesh and blood humans, were explicitly told that they would die if they disobeyed Gods command. Thus, if they had not disobeyed they would have lived on in the same bodies they were created with*. Conclusion? Physical bodies were indeed capable of living forever subject to their obedience to God.

* The only way to go from being a physical, being to a spiritual one is to die.

GENESIS 2: 27, 28

And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them. Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth+ and subdue it ....

4. Since God's original purpose (see above) concerned human beings on this physical planet, it is impossible for that to change as doing so would amount to failure on his part.

ISAIAH 55:11

So my word that goes out of my mouth will be. It will not return to me without results but it will certainly accomplish whatever is my delight and it will have sure success in what I send it to do..

5. The bible presents a picture of humans living under Christs Messianic rule building houses for shelter, eating and having children. Clearly, the world under Christs messianic rule will be inhabited by physical flesh and blood men and women.

ISAIAH 65: 21-23

They will build houses and live in them, And they will plant vineyards and eat their fruitage. They will not build for someone else to inhabit, Nor will they plant for others to eat. For the days of my people will be like the days of a tree* ... nor will they bear children for distress, because they are the offspring made up of those blessed by Jehovah, and their descendants with them.

* trees can live for thousands of years!

CONCLUSION :

Given the above, it is quite clear not only that physical flesh and blood human beings are capable of living forever but that that was Gods original purpose; a purpose that thanks to Jesus will one day be accomplished.

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myth-one.com · Post by **myth-one.com** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:57 am

myth-one.com wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:58 am The only way that a physical bodied being can gain everlasting life is to somehow be reborn of the Spirit as an immortal spiritual bodied being.

JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:20 am IS IT TRUE THAT PHYSICAL FLESH AND FLOOD HUMAN BEINGS CAN NEVER LIVE FOREVER?

Absolutely not.

1. The bible holds out everlasting life on earth for righteous humans.

PSALMS 37:29

The righteous will possess the earth and they will live forever on it

Where does this verse confirm that flesh and blood humans will live forever on the earth as flesh and blood humans?

Jesus states that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God:

I Corinthians 15:49-50 wrote:And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;...

And the Bible, as inspired by God, confirms several times that humans must be changed to live forever.

So I still agree with Jesus and God.

If God's original plan was for man to live forever on the earth, why didn't He create man in the original creation?

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:03 pm

myth-one.com wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:57 am
Jesus states that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God:

I Corinthians 15:49-50 wrote:And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;...
...

So I still agree with Jesus and God.

So do I.

The kingdom of God refers to Jesus heavenly government ; all those in that heavenly government are resurrected as immortal spirits. They will they will live with Jesus in heaven and from heaven they will rule over the physical planet earth.

Here is a little sketch to help you understand ...

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Meanwhile ....on earth there will be many many righteous humans. The humans (who will live under the rulership'of the heavenly government ) will, as long as they remain faithful, live forever on earth as physical flesh and blood human beings.

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