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You Are No Longer You!

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If God selects you into His Kingdom of Heaven, you are no longer you. Why?

1) You will no longer sin in Heaven, as Heaven is a sinless environment. Hence, you must have a portion of your freewill stripped from you (in some capacity).
2) You will not mourn for any of your loved ones, which do not also make it into Heaven; as Heaven has no mourning, as it is Heaven after all.

Which begs a follow up question....

Whoever God chooses, He must change, in preparation for such a divine space/arena. Humans are deemed perpetual sinners. Thus, if God must change all, for whom He elects, why not just allow ALL into Heaven?
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:04 am
POI wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 4:27 am Since sin is removed, why does God not allow all into Heaven?
Did you not see my earlier answer to this question?
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Um, the link you provided is to another thread. And the link, for which you finally decided to provide, does not really look to answer answer the 'why'.
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POI wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:35 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:04 am
POI wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 4:27 am Since sin is removed, why does God not allow all into Heaven?
Did you not see my earlier answer to this question?
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Um, the link you provided is to another thread.

Yes, did you read it?

POI wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:35 am...the link [...] does not really look to answer answer the 'why'.

Oh I think it does....

Why does God not allow everyone to go to heaven?
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Re: You Are No Longer You!

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:21 am
POI wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 6:21 pm

Why not just allow ALL into Heaven?

Biblically, because only select few (144,000) will be given the special privilege to rule as kings with Jesus, . If everyone ruled there would be nobody to rule OVER. God has destined humans to live for all eternity on this our planet earth enjoying it as our permanent home. Angels (spirits) were made to live with God in heaven but the bible says God has given the earth to "the sons of men" (humans).



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Heaven is restricted/limited to 144K people? And your response makes little logical sense.

Who do these selected 144K 'rule over'?
Why must these 144K 'rule over' anyone?
Are the ones, which are being 'ruled over', still completely blissful, as this is called Heaven after all?
If 144K is the limit to this sort of plan, doesn't this render God's capabilities limited?

Why in the heck do you believe that not only a literal Heaven exists, but 144K are selected?
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POI wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:51 pm As @miles, in post #6 has already alluded to, no one is deemed "righteous".
i have understood that with own works no one is deemed righteous, meaning, you can't do some work to become righteous. But i think that is not the only way to become righteous or to determine is person righteous.
POI wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 12:51 pmDo the truly righteous not mourn the ones which are not chosen?
Why would they, if the not chosen get what they want?
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brunumb wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 6:56 pm
1213 wrote: Fri Aug 20, 2021 6:12 pm If person is righteous, he doesn’t sin.
But aren't we told that all people sin and that there are none that are righteous?
I the scripture has been misunderstood. If it would be so that no one is righteous, no one would get the eternal life, because eternal life is promised in the Bible only for righteous.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

Person who continues in sin, against what Jesus taught, should stop to think who is he following, Jesus or someone else.

"Neither do I condemn you. Go your way. From now on, sin no more."
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POI wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:46 am

Heaven is restricted/limited to 144K people? And your response makes little logical sense.
No my response makes perfect sense.
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:21 am
POI wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 6:21 pm

Why not just allow ALL into Heaven?


Biblically, because he doesnt WANT everyone in heaven. Only select few (144,000) will be given the special privilege to rule as kings with Jesus, . If everyone ruled there would be nobody to rule OVER. God has destined humans to live for all eternity on this our planet earth enjoying it as our permanent home. Angels (spirits) were made to live with God in heaven but the bible says God has given the earth to "the sons of men" (humans).

Why does God not allow everyone to go to heaven?
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POI wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:46 am
Who do these selected 144K 'rule over'?
According to'the bible the 144,000 individuals that make up the heavenly government will (along with Jesus) rule over the meek that shall inherit THE EARTH.


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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:55 am
POI wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:46 am

Heaven is restricted/limited to 144K people? And your response makes little logical sense.
No my response makes perfect sense.
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:21 am
POI wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 6:21 pm

Why not just allow ALL into Heaven?


Biblically, because he doesnt WANT everyone in heaven. Only select few (144,000) will be given the special privilege to rule as kings with Jesus, . If everyone ruled there would be nobody to rule OVER. God has destined humans to live for all eternity on this our planet earth enjoying it as our permanent home. Angels (spirits) were made to live with God in heaven but the bible says God has given the earth to "the sons of men" (humans).

Why does God not allow everyone to go to heaven?
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You have again avoided some key questions. Let me rephrase them a bit...

1. Why would you feel it necessary to 'rule over' anyone?
2. Who are these people you think you are going to someday 'rule over'?
3. Why do you actually believe any of this?
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POI wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:06 pm 1. Why would you feel it necessary to 'rule over' anyone?
I don't feel it necessary to rule over anyone. I am not a king, I am not God, I have not right to rule over anyone nor do I hope to.
POI wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:06 pm 2. Who are these people you think you are going to someday 'rule over'?
I don't think I am ever going to rule over anybody.
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POI wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:06 pm
3. Why do you actually believe any of this?
Any of what?
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