Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[Tcg]

Logically an omniscient God is not prone to error, since he has all the relevant information needed to avoid making a mistake.

Perhaps, but you've yet to establish, even Biblically, that God is omniscient.


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

1 Samuel 15:11 “I regret that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions.” Samuel was angry, and he cried out to the Lord all that night.

Genesis 6:6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.

None of those scriptures indicate God has made a mistake.

How can a perfect God "regret"?
viewtopic.php?p=1014669#p1014669

[Tcg]

1 Samuel 15:11 “I regret that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions.” Samuel was angry, and he cried out to the Lord all that night.

Genesis 6:6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.

Nice quote of what I stated. Are we to expect something in addition to a quote of my quote?


Tcg

[Tcg]

None of those scriptures indicate God has made a mistake.

Right, God regretted making a perfect decision. I don't know about you, but I've never regretted a perfect decision.


Tcg

[JehovahsWitness]

IS GOD OMNISCIENT ?

OMNISCIENT

1: having infinite awareness, understanding, and insight
2: possessed of universal or complete knowledge

Logically an Almighty God (Genesis 17:1) has the power to do anything which would include the power to aquire knowledge of anythng (past, present or future) should that be His good pleasure. The word omnicient is not in scripture but there is scriptural evidence YHWH is omniscient in nature, as in he has access to all knowledge/has the ability to know anything he chooses to know.

ISAIAH 46: 10

From the beginning I foretell the outcome and from long ago the things that have not yet been done.

ISAIAH 42: 9
See, the first things have come to pass; Now I am declaring new things. Before they spring up, I tell you about them.”.

HEBREWS 4:13

There is not a creation that is not manifest to his sight, but all things are naked and openly exposed to the eyes of him with whom we have an accounting

PROVERBS 15: 3
The eyes of Jehovah are everywhere, watching both the bad and the good.

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[Miles]

But there you have it: a blundering, omnipotent, sometimes omnibenevolent god.

(sometimes omnibenevolent is an oxymoron)


DOES GOD BLUNDER?

A BLUNDER : a stupid or careless mistake

One can see or perceive something as a blunder when it is in fact nothing of the kind.

To illustrate : Imagine a college student in one of Albert Einstein s classes. He thinks he sees an error in Enstein's calculations and raises a question. Upon further explanation however the student is helped to see that it was he, not the teacher that miscalucated.

The point, not being aware of all the relevance facts might lead someone to perceive something as a blunder (or worse malious) when it is fact the very opposite. The bible says God is perfect and always just and good.

That may be (I don't care to actually check it out), but Bible also has god admitting he made mistakes.

Logically an omniscient God is not prone to error, since he has all the relevant information needed to avoid making a mistake.

But not exempt from. So why do you think he did?

The bible does not always provide all the information about all of Gods recorded actions but if one perceives God has made a blunder, it is doubtless because it is we (who are neither omniscient nor perfect) not Almighty God who are in error.

But it's not a matter of perception, but admission. In his own words god admits he made mistakes. Like it or not, but god is, in fact, fallible.


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[JehovahsWitness]

But it's not a matter of perception, but admission. In his own words god admits he made mistakes.

Where does God admit {quote} "he made mistakes"?

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2405]

YHWH can make humans exist forever anywhere he chooses.
And anywhere they choose - even the universe at large, YHWH can 'make it so'...we are not stuck with just the one option. The OP and questions tend to imply all there is, is the one option, but that is not logical.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2405]

The OP and questions tend to imply all there is, is the one option, but that is not logical.

The OP hightlights what the bible has to say on the matter without groundless speculation beyond that. If you would like to know what the poster believes regarding your speculations on living without genitilia on a planet far far away, you do well to ask rather than project your assumptions or attempt strawman arguments.


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[myth-one.com]

Regarding the question is there logic in such a belief...( since interpretation is what causes the various beliefs on the matter ), the belief that one shall live on this earth forever is an entirely logical interpretation since we have the explicit statement in scripture that that the will be the case.

It's not really logical because "one" is not well defined.

Can a cat live forever on this earth?

Can a fish live forever on this earth?

Can a human being live forever on this earth?

Can an angel live forever on this earth?

I assume you mean "one" to be a human being.

If that is the case, then the statement is incorrect according to the scriptures.

Human beings must be changed in order to live forever on the earth.

Is a changed human being still a human being?

I would argue no -- assuming it had to be changed to something new and different from a human being so that it could live forever on the earth.

The Bible puts it this way:

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed.

A correct statement regarding human Christians and living forever on the earth would be as follows:

The belief that human Christians will be changed to spiritual beings which shall live on this earth forever is an entirely logical interpretation since we have the explicit statement in scripture that that will be the case.